Billvon and Randwolf.. I need to ask and pardon me for apparently missing the obvious.. But where do you both get off trying to lecture a survivor of sexual abuse, sexual harassment and rape, about sexual abuse, sexual harassment and rape? In particular, Billvon: You don't think she knows who or what she should go after first? And you, Randwolf, do you really think this: Is an appropriate question to ask in such a condescending way? How about this one, Randwolf? How often have you asked rape victims to their face, to tell you examples of sexual harassment and sexual violence because you want to "establish boundaries here"? Or do you just save that for the internet, because hey, that's funny as shit, right? No, really, think about it, you two. Would you walk up to someone you know is a victim, say you had a family member who had been raped.. Would you walk up to her and ask her these questions in the manner you are asking these questions? Or do you just save your mansplaining and kind of mocking and condescending rape and sexual violence to a victim of rape and sexual violence, for the internet?
notice the stupid retorts above (by you)? then you just stupidly admitted, you have no business being around people since you have not a 'clue' as to what proper conduct is. you even stated you want to establish boundaries, as if you don't know what they are. are you clinically retarded? is that what you are admitting? i need to tell you what proper social boundaries are? have you been in a coma? out in the forest only co-habiting along with bears? what is the issue? lmfao!
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...spread-legs-movie-roles-actress-a8173161.html "If you spread your legs because he said 'be nice to me and I'll give you a job in a movie' then I'm afraid that's tantamount to consent, and it's too late now to start whingeing about that," Greer explained, before being honoured as Australian of the Year.
This is a discussion, not a lecture. If anyone is made uncomfortable by discussions over such topics, they should avoid the thread.
these are the funniest and most insane ones.. i suggest , for starters, (for your safety as well) that you learn something called the 'law'? lol. i mean, since you seem to be feigning excruciatingly clueless as to what proper social conduct is? are you confused about boundaries, say, when you are dealing with your wife or girlfriend, daughter, mother, sister and other women? are you confused as to whose ass you can grab? lmao!
this is true. but what he did was dead wrong too. i mention this because i know you only posted that dismissing the unethical proposition and using sex as coercion. it shouldn't be about sexual favors but based on qualification and merit.
oh believe me, i don't need anyone defending me in these threads. bell's is just a compassionate soul.
I didn't attack you. I also said that victims will respond as they see fit, when they see fit, if they see fit and that includes you. If you recall, you also attributed your post to me, and then abused me for something you said. You also argued that you would expect 'her' to behave a certain way, remember? http://www.sciforums.com/threads/al...-harming-democrats.160339/page-2#post-3491378 http://www.sciforums.com/threads/al...-harming-democrats.160339/page-2#post-3491406 http://www.sciforums.com/threads/al...-harming-democrats.160339/page-6#post-3492262 http://www.sciforums.com/threads/al...-harming-democrats.160339/page-6#post-3492263 http://www.sciforums.com/threads/al...-harming-democrats.160339/page-7#post-3492324 http://www.sciforums.com/threads/al...-harming-democrats.160339/page-9#post-3492595 http://www.sciforums.com/threads/al...-harming-democrats.160339/page-9#post-3492614 http://www.sciforums.com/threads/al...-harming-democrats.160339/page-9#post-3492615 http://www.sciforums.com/threads/al...-harming-democrats.160339/page-9#post-3492645 That was the entirety of that discussion between you and I. Wasn't it? Or was there more after that, aside from both of our run-in's with EF regarding how he was treating you for having been a victim? Okay, you accused me of saying that the 'spectrum' does not matter. And I believe I answered that, repeatedly. And I have never argued what you are saying I argued. So, when I said that Moore belongs in prison and should be labeled a sex offender and that Franken should resign, that wasn't a recognition of the differences in behaviour? That was my treating both the same? I am not going to argue with you anymore pjdude. You want to scream and yell at me about rape and sexual assault, go for it. But I would impress upon you the need to not attribute things to me that I never actually said, just so that you can get angry at me. Okay?
Ya, we are going to take the words, of a woman who once wrote a whole book about being turned on by young boys and who once argued that Aboriginal men who commit acts of domestic and sexual violence should be excused and not prosecuted, seriously? I mean, the gall that she was made Australian of the Year in Britain is bad enough. The fact that she is now using that media coverage to make these comments about the #MeToo movement... Which is interesting that she is, since she is also releasing a new book soon called "On Rape".. In other words, she is making these comments to remain in the limelight to plug her upcoming book "On Rape"..
You actually know SFA. You are a sheila I take it? If that's the case, being an old fashion sort of bloke, I'll simply say you actually know nothing apparently about my opinion on this. I never use SFA with a sheila[ Aussie slang for lady] What I suggest you do to really gauge my opinion, is peruse the thread I started yesterday and which was closed and cesspooled, entitled "taking it too far" There are other links there among my own opinion and other opinions naturally.
I actually can't stand a bar of her, but she was the mouth piece of the woman's movement at that time. Let's make it clear, I'm all for women's equality: I don't agree with woman's rights, which seems to convey some sort of message of rights over and above that of men...Equality for the human race I'm speaking of too...not particularly woman's equality although, yes it is part and parcel of the movement. It's just a shame that the Feminist movement has to some extent been hijacked by a few extremist feminazis. Here are some more feminine opinions on what I'm about. https://www.theodysseyonline.com/has-feminism-gone-too-far How Feminism Has Gone Too Far Radical feminism is NOT feminism. Lydia Abedeen Lydia AbedeenJul 17, 2017 Before we start, a quick DISCLAIMER: all of what I am about to say in the following paragraphs to come is purely my own OPINION. I consider myself a devout feminist and I support many feministic ideals. This article is just a reflection of my own beliefs of what I've seen when it comes to modern-day feminism. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! When you look at the history books, it's true that women across the globe have been very much unappreciated in prior years, especially when it comes to the rights they were/are allowed to have. In the US, we had to wait untill 1920 in order to vote, and according to many sources, women did not begin attending college in equal numbers to men until as recently as 1980. Even nowadays, the genders are still not completely equal; women get paid less, aren't allowed to play certain sports, and can't even drive in some countries. It's a sad (but true) reality. This is why the feminist movement is such a great thing. Feminist campaigns have netted us girls the right to vote, to hold public office, to work, to own property, to receive an education, and many other rights. In addition, the work of feminists have protected thousands of women from rape and sexual violence by promoting anatomical integrity. When you take into account its true purpose, feminism really is a great thing. Feminism has always been a great thing--until recently. Feminism has always enabled women to get up and protest, yes, but since when did that mean that 120+ women could strip naked in front of the White House to scream about "femicide"? Don't get me wrong, femicide is a real and true thing, but that kind of behavior is completely unnecessary. What's the point? There are hundreds of other ways of ways to get your point across! more at link..... :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/has-metoo-has-gone-too-far-20180116-h0ivul.html Has #MeToo gone too far? Natalie Reilly On Saturday, feminist author, Margaret Atwood wrote an opinion piece for Canada's Globe and Mail in which she defended her friend, academic Steven Galloway against what she viewed as trial by accusation. Atwood argued that Galloway had been denied due process in a sexual assault case, and instead was dismissed from his job on the basis of suspicion and secrecy, thereby ruining his reputation. On Saturday, feminist author, Margaret Atwood wrote an opinion piece for Canada's Globe and Mail in which she defended her friend, academic Steven Galloway against what she viewed as trial by accusation. Atwood argued that Galloway had been denied due process in a sexual assault case, and instead was dismissed from his job on the basis of suspicion and secrecy, thereby ruining his reputation. more at link...... ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: https://www.quora.com/Has-feminism-gone-too-far-in-general Has feminism gone too far in general? Kate Luebke, Intersectional feminist working to make feminism better. Updated Jul 19, 2017 Before we begin, I would like to state that I am a socialist and a feminist in that order. That said, I am very critical of the current radical feminist movement and am more in tune with the current intersectionalist movement. I think there's been a push by radical feminists to create a “marketplace feminism (white feminism)” and I think that's backfired on them horribly, as it should. I am going to personify this cookie cutter feminism that I speak of in the form on one particular celebrity: Lena Dunham. Now in full disclosure, I will admit that I do not like Lena Dunham or a lot of what she says about feminism. I find it embarassing that many consider her the face of feminism. I also get really creepy vibes from her but that's neither here nor there. Still, biased or not, I think Lena Dunham is the case personified of why marketplace feminism has gone too far. The good news is, Peter Coffin, a writer over at Medium.com (and a man! *Gasp*) created an article for me so I don't have to spend a ton of time going through a lot of the cringe worthy quotes and events: Enough of Lena Dunham’s “Marketplace Feminism” – Peter Coffin – Medium (note this article was written shortly after her and Amy Schumer’s racist flap with Odell Beckham, Jr in September of 2016, so mildly dated). So the branded feminism we've been seeing for the past few years seems to only be inclusive of white upper class women. Why do you think Hillary Clinton was so quick to let Lena Dunham interview her (and in my opinion, this is one of the many reasons the election backfired on her horribly)? Most radical feminists are close to Hillary Clinton's age and seemed to arrogantly think that their version of feminism was good for everyone. The good news is the rise in marketplace feminism seems to be bringing about a newer form of feminism - intersectional feminism. While I will say that this form of feminism is not perfect (as Coffin points out), it is far more inclusive than the current form of feminism. Intersectional feminism will require a lot of tweaks in the coming years but it seems easier to tweak this than continue with the tiresome exclusive narrative that is radical (marketplace) feminism. So do I feel feminism has gone too far? Yes. But I do feel it is because the wrong people were allowed to hijack the feminist movement. So the goal now is to co-op feminism and show everyone that, yes, there is a way for feminism to be inclusive of everyone instead of only to rich Caucasian women. As hard as it is, to repair the feminist movement it will mean taking less time to preach and more time to listen to those current feminism has marginalized (yes that includes men too). Right now, that's something a lot of feminists who fit in closer to the marketplace feminism don't really want to do so. My hope is the next generation of feminist leaders will see the need to do so. We'll see how deep the influence of the current feminist leaders has gone. If it ends up being more of the same, then it'll be a huge problem.
Most people, women included would see a wolf whistle as harmless fun...some women may even appreciate it, as the girl in my example It should not be but it is...well at least discouraged from showing your breasts. And, no, I would never grab one, unless it was foisted upon me. Hmmm, that could also entail wolf whistling. If she wanted to perhaps. But she took it as it was done.....some jocular humour from a teenager who had been drinking. He was my best mate. He did not mean anything sinister from it. It was only in her hand for a sec, until she pulled away laughing. I was being facetious. Look? Oogle? But yes I agree. Yes, but it wouldn't even cross my mind due to the triviality of it. Rubbish....They are harming no one, except holding up the game and tresspassing. Hmmm, Are you saying it was a line in a movie? I was of the opinion that she said it off screen to another bloke.
Nope. However, I will agree with the author that some FEMINISTS have gone too far. (He seems to agree, since he calls out one feminist in particular.) I found this line funny: "The good news is the rise in marketplace feminism seems to be bringing about a newer form of feminism - intersectional feminism." Is this author not aware that there have been at least four generations of feminism, each very different from the previous form? As with any social movement, it evolves as society does.
It only takes a few [and it is only a few] extremist feminazis, to ruin it for the whole movement. That's all I have ever said.
I disagree. That's like saying Al Franken ruined democrats for women's rights. It would be more accurate to say that he ruined Franken.
Ermm okay.. What does "feminine" have to do with being a feminist? Or do you only value of women who fit a certain aesthetic? You mean the thread where you were going on about women's armpit hair, how you pee standing up, where you claimed women liked street harassment and where you used a derogative term often applied by the right wing misogynists that equates feminism and the fight for equal rights with Nazism? That thread? The very thread where everyone who responded to you thought you were joking because what you were saying there was that bad? I don't really think you should be relying on that thread as an example of your opinion, if you don't want to be lambasted again.
We [European migrants 200 years ago] Introduced the indigenous people to alcohol. Many could not and still cannot handle the stuff, but at the same time, I believe there is much being done [started with Gough] to alleviate the terrible situation you describe, but still much to be done. And perhaps Greer was more or less blaming us newcomer Aussies for the predicament. No I have not read your link but will now.
Question if you will....If this was a male writing about early and pre teen and early teen girls, with the same style, how do you believe it would have been received?
Nup wrong Bells....I said some women don't mine being wolf whistled...nothing anywhere like liked being harassed. So would you like to withdraw that incorrect accusation? It's not my concern if one, note one particular poster misinterpreted what I said...just as you have done.
