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  1. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    I mean morally corrupt rather than legally corrupt. Is there such a term legally?


    This is precisely what I am talking about.
    Certainly no Politician will vote against spending which provides local employment, no matter what he/she thinks of the project on which the money is spent.

    You interfere with the system at your peril, as the Abhu Ghraib whistlelower found, when he was warned not to return to the military town he came from

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  3. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Mondegreen
    A word in a phrase that is misheard and gives
    that phrase a different meaning.

    Etymology
    When the writer Sylvia Wright was a girl she would listen to the
    Scottish Ballad which told the sad tale of the Earl of Murray
    and his tragic partner Lady Mondegreen.


    "Ye highlands and ye lowlands
    Oh where hae you been?
    Thou hae slay the Earl of Murray
    And Lady Mondegreen"


    Years later, she was shocked to see the ballad in print
    She saw that the the last line was
    "and laid him on the Green"

    Poor Lady Mondegreen had been deleted from Scottish legend,
    but she gained new life as the word for this kind of aural mistake.

    Pop songs are a rich source for new mondegreens
    and there is a site which specialises in them
    Here are the mondegreens which people have misheard in
    the Eagles "Hotel California"

    http://www.amiright.com/misheard/song/hotelcalifornia.shtml
     
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    Since that is my State Song and I've performed it a few times, I thought I was familiar with all the mis-heard lyrics, but there are some new ones in there. Although I suspect a few of them are simply attempts at humor.

    The Eagles have been accused of being a little too precious for their own good in that song. The line about killing the Beast with steely knives in the Master's Chamber continues to defy interpretation, and may well be a joke played on the compulsively analytical audience of that intellectual era, without the wink at the end to let us in on the joke like the last line of "Stairway to Heaven." "Mercedes bends" is a cute pun in print but it just doesn't work when spoken aloud, much less sung. "Tiffany-twisted" might have been understood in Beverly Hills, La Jolla or Marin County in 1976, but in any other place and time it sure does sound like "definitely." We've all been trying to figure out what the "warm smell of colitas/calitas" is for 31 years and there simply is no such word for a plant or anything else in English. In Spanish colitas means "little tails," but if that's a slang word for something with a "warm" smell I've never tracked it down. One or more of the band members were originally from Texas, so perhaps the word means something there.

    When the Baby Boomers grew up and their children became the song's audience, I changed "We haven't had that spirit here since 1969" to ". . . 1849", the Gold Rush Era, and started getting more nods of comprehension.

    When the California hotel industry became the province of the Indian immigrant community in the 1980s, I started rapping the bridge with an Indian accent and got a lot of laughs for it. I found the Indians to be a gracious people who shared the laugh.

    The song always gives me goose bumps because I came out to Los Angeles from a hick town in Arizona--precisely in the year 1960. Arizona is full of missions and I could see one (and absolutely nothing else but sand and cactus) from my bedroom window, but still, when the train door opened and I saw a real city and felt a sea breeze, it was like the scene in "The Wizard of Oz" when the world turned Technicolor. Nowhere did the 1960s unfold with such accuracy to the stereotype as in urban California. Hippies, motorcycles, pot, crash pads, intellectualism, pacifism, atheism, women's lib, the sexual revolution, compulsive racial mixing, surfing, and that weird blend of acid rock with folk music. And of course having a college education and a good job allowed me to experience all of that against a background of square meals, a clean place to sleep, reliable transportation and health insurance.

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    Having "checked out" of California several years ago, forced to follow my money to Washington in order to get some of it back, and finding the place to be not just a different region, not just a foreign country, but an alien planet, I am constantly haunted by the closing line, "But you can never leave." I always have the band stop playing, the stage lights darkened, and I do that line a capella in what I hope comes out as an eerie stage whisper--like "those voices calling from far away" that I still hear every night.

    Damn, I miss California!
     
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  7. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, that song gives me pangs of nostalgia too.
     
  8. Pandaemoni Valued Senior Member

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    My favorite was the one noted by Dave Barry from the Beach Boys' "Help Me Rhonda":

    Well since she put me down
    I've got owls puking in my bed.

    (The real lyrics were:
    Well since she put me down
    I've been out doin' in my head.)

    One of his readers also wrote him to ask a question about the song "Ain't No Woman Like the One-Eyed Gott."
     
  9. Tht1Gy! Life, The universe, and e... Registered Senior Member

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    How about "Spirits in the Night" by Springsteen;
    I thought he said "wrapped up like a 'douche' another runner in the night" which made no sense.:shrug:
    Later I was told the word is 'deuce' and is an East Coast drug reference to a junkie.
    Still don't know if that the line, but at least it makes sense.
     
  10. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Springsteen can be forgiven for his New Jersey accent, although it's not the stereotype with pronunciations like "Jizey." Englishman Chris Hamlett Thompson parroted the same mispronunciation when he sang the hit version of that song with Manfred Mann. You'd think a star would be able to acquire the ASCAP or BMI published lyrics to another star's song.

    These days anybody can get practically any song from Lyrics.com or other internet sites.

    So a deuce is a junkie. Is that what "Deuce Bigalow" was all about? I just assumed it was a play on nicknames like Ace Ventura, with the implication that a deuce is always lower than an ace.

    BTW, the song with that lyric is "Blinded by the Light." "Spirits in the Night" was, I think, one of Manfred Mann's original songs.
     
  11. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Sputnik
    The first man-made satellite. Launched by the Russians 50 years ago on Oct 4th 1957.
    It was a shock to the US, who thought they were ahead in the race,
    having nabbed all the best German scientists after WWII.

    The project was an offshoot of the Soviet intercontinental ballistic missile program. Nuclear bombs were much bigger then,
    compared to our modern tiddlers.
    The first sputnik had no real purpose, except to go bleep and be heard on ham radio sets, but it caused a great deal of paranoia, and kick-started the space-race.

    It became a popular pet name, at least in our family, and for many years
    it was a name for our goldfish.
    A succession of hapless funfair goldfish were brought home in plastic bags,
    to spend a couple of weeks orbiting a tiny murky bowl, before they inevitably died.
    After which, they were given a state funeral in the garden.
    We even followed the Soviet system, naming them Sputnik I, Sputnik II etc.
    What were your Goldfish called?

    The Russians also launched the first lunar satellite, Luna 10, in March 1966.
    They could have called it Lunartik, but that would have been silly.

    Two major lunar satellites are being launched this year.
    The Japanese have spent an enormous sum on "Selene",
    the Selenological and Engineering Explorer,
    and the Chinese are launching another later this month.


    Etymology
    Russian for "Fellow Traveller"
     
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  13. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Could refer to a car often adapted for hot-rodding.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Deuce_Coupe
     
  14. Tht1Gy! Life, The universe, and e... Registered Senior Member

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    Well, it could...
    but it doesn't.
     
  15. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    How can you be sure what it doesn't mean
    if you're not sure what it does mean?

    Try doing a google on deuce springsteen.
     
  16. Spud Emperor solanaceous common tater Registered Senior Member

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    I did but Juice springsteen came up and it just got ugly from there.
     
  17. Spud Emperor solanaceous common tater Registered Senior Member

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    Here's my word of the day .. moribund,.. not quite sure what it means which probably means I've broken one of the AR rules and will make me feel all morose and morbid and other morally bankrupt shit like that.
     
  18. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Spud, you are well bad.
     
  19. Tht1Gy! Life, The universe, and e... Registered Senior Member

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    Cuz I trust those who told me what it means were being honest, (but I didn't do the 'research' myself

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    Indeed, yesterday was the 50th anniversary of one of the happiest days in my life. It was my second year in high school and I was a math major. The Space Race was on and the U.S. was already losing to those nasty Rooskies. Overnight, it became cool to study science and math for your country. The jocks started treating us with respect, the pachucos stopped threatening to beat us up, and we got dates. Science and math majors were treated like normal human beings for about twenty years, until the Religious Redneck Retard Revival swung the pendulum all the way in the other direction and it became fashionable to know no science at all. By then of course I was a computer programmer making a fabulous salary so the girls liked me anyway. One of them even married me.

    When I was at Caltech, a.k.a. Geek Heaven, in the 1960s, we held dances, which seemed like a strange idea since it was an all-boys school in those days. But girls from the nearby coed universities and the all-girl schools car-pooled over to hang with the future scientists and mathematicians. What a great era! Spasibo, Sputnik!
    Yes, the Wikipedia article on "Deuce Coupe" (as opposed to "Little Deuce Coupe" which is a rather anemic article about the song) makes it clear that that was the slang term for a 1932 Ford coupe, starting in the 1940s when hot-rodding became popular. Ford was legendary for always building only a single model of automobile, and 1932 was the year they stopped production of the venerable Model A and launched a new car with a host of high-tech improvements. "Deuce" = "2" = "1932." That same article insists that in the Springsteen song it's a reference to a hot rod; a common theme in his songs going all the way back to "Born to Run." I was a motorcyclist in my youth so I don't know hot rod slang and I'm not quite sure how a Deuce Coupe would be "wrapped up," but I can see how it would be a "runner in the night." Maybe "wrapped up" is the same as "wound up," i.e. the engine speed raised to its maximum possible rpm?
    Well yes you have certainly violated all the rules and now you'll have to go to Linguistic Purgatory to do penance. Familiarize yourself with the website Merriam-Webster.com; the free online dictionary with definitions and etymologies for a large basic vocabulary of words in American English.

    Then come back tomorrow and tell us what the word means and where it came from.

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  21. Spud Emperor solanaceous common tater Registered Senior Member

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    American English Uugghhhh!! Talk about Morally bankrupt and linguistically challenged.
     
  22. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    I must agree with Spudnik on this one.
    Get an OED and give up this foolish colonialism Fraggle.

    A question for you to think about. The geostationary orbital distance is 35,786 km above the equator, and is independent of the mass of the satellite.
    So why is the moon not 35,786 km away?
     
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  23. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Hey, I recommended Merriam-Webster.com because it's free. OED.com is a subscription site which even my wife with her M.A. in English Literature has not deigned to include in the family budget. Do you think the average teenage member of SciForums is going to have access to it? The case in point was "moribund"; we're hardly going to encounter subtle differences of nuance between the British and American definitions of that word.

    Besides, M-W does an acceptable job with your quaint Britishisms. (I suppose the proper coinage would be "Britannica," but that word has been co-opted as a trademark for a book which is now ironically published over here.) "Flashlight" is definition #4 under "torch," labled "chiefly British." If you know of a free online dictionary that is slanted toward British usage, please post the URL. I will certainly be happy to add it to my bookmarks.
    Why are you asking this on the Linguistics board instead of Astronomy??? I'm a pretty indulgent Moderator when it comes to allowing discussions to veer off topic, so long as they have a vague connection, since this is not an easy subforum in which to maintain critical mass.

    Still, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume I missed the OP that ties this into a discussion of language and answer the question for the Inquring Minds who Want To Know. Or perhaps you just want to verify the Former Future Scientist credentials I claim from my matriculation at CalTech nearly fifty years ago. Anyway, the answer is that the moon's orbit is not geosynchronous. If it were, it would appear in the same place in the sky every night (or day depending on your vantage). It would have no impact on tides and with only the sun's gravity pulling on the oceans the natural world might be substantially different from the one we live in.

    To reestablish the relevance to this board: The Germanic word for "time" might not be "tide."

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