would eastern europe have been better off without the solviet influences?

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would eastern europe have been better without the soviet influences

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  2. no

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  3. i don't know

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  1. tim840 Registered Senior Member

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    I hate to break it to you, Draqon. but money, infrastructure, and wealth is what wins a war.
     
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  3. draqon Banned Banned

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    wrong. Information, faith, and unity is what wins a war. Anyways the definition of winning is different for our cultures.
     
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  5. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    um no not really
     
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  7. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    In Russia/Soviet Union? :roflmao::roflmao:
     
  8. Bradley364 DIG HARD! Registered Senior Member

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    In Soviet Russia, you don't fight war, war fights you!
     
  9. draqon Banned Banned

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    at least try to be original.
     
  10. Bradley364 DIG HARD! Registered Senior Member

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    Too late >.<
     
  11. Killjoy Propelling The Farce!! Valued Senior Member

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    Russia nuke Europe ?

    Whaddya, DAFT ?!

    Why would they blow up their best oil & gas customers ?

    Besides, you know what happens while they're occupied with the West, dont'cha ?

    CHINESE FRIGGIN' INVASION OF SIBERIA, BABY !!!!

    :xctd::xctd::xctd:
     
  12. Killjoy Propelling The Farce!! Valued Senior Member

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    You see...?

    It's all devastatingly simple, really.

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  13. oreodont I am God Registered Senior Member

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    To the original question:

    The answer is a qualified 'no'. The Soviet controlled parts of Europe were quite diverse and at different levels of modernity. East Germany can't be compared with Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia with S.S.R Georgia, etc.

    The 'qualified' part of the 'no' is that the totalitarian nature of the regimes broke down the former power elite such as large landowners, the Church, etc. A mostly clean slate was created which was then replaced by an authoritarianism and basketcase economy. When the soviet Empire collapsed, much of the Soviet stylre 'crap' was washed off the slate and this makes it easier for the Eastern countries to modernize....as the old social structure before the Soviet control is largely gone. (today China is in a similar position to embrace free enterprise as Mao broke down the old social power structure).

    I lived quite a few years in Germany and in a quirky way Soviet control may have been good for the long term development of that country. The division into East and West more or less squeezed that last drops of fanatical nationalism from the country. West Germany put it's nose the grindstone and proved itself to the world and regained pride by becoming an economic power. All vestiges of expansive militarism were smothered by 'winnng' the economic blue ribbon in Europe. Today a strong and reunited Germany isn't a threat to anyone.
     
  14. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Bull Shit!
     
  15. snake river rufus Registered Senior Member

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    No.
     
  16. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Fascist..
     
  17. w1z4rd Valued Senior Member

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    I would say no. If there was not Soviet pressure.. then reconstructions of Europe after two World Wars.. like the Marshell Plan.. may not have come to be. And the EU would have being a lot longer in the coming without its NATO friends.
     
  18. w1z4rd Valued Senior Member

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    Oh killjoy.. I notice China invades the cruddiest parts of Russia... are there enough resources for them to even consider attacking that side Russia? I mean.. its like Mongolia and stuff. hehe.
     
  19. draqon Banned Banned

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    KillJoy's China invasion is pathetic...the Far-East part of Russia is extremely patriotic and nationalistic, battle of Manchuria, war with Japan...just look at Vladivostok and kuril islands which are Russian, we honor small islands and will protect every inch of it

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    oh and for chinese...we got ICBMS as well...in Kazakhstan and the new Vostochny cosmodrome, in Amur.

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  20. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    So I take you didn't have a probem with the German invasion of the Sovietunion, after all it was just about lebensraum and the same (your) logic applies....

    Also it is kind of funny your fond rememblance since you only lived like 2-3 years in the old times...
     
  21. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Tell it to Rommel, when he was constantly running out of gas for his equipment/tanks. he would have won Africa had it been not for the long supply lines.

    But I apologize, it is HISTORY again, what you know shit about...
     
  22. Killjoy Propelling The Farce!! Valued Senior Member

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    In a word: Siberia.

    Suuuurrrrre they are.

    LoL

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    WIth any luck a couple might even get off the launch pad - of course, the the crews will probably have draied the fuel to burn in their 'stills !

    :mufc:
     

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