Wouldn't it be for tyrants Stalin/Mao Would Communism succeed as a noble idea?

If you think about the basic human idea of communism, it can really make sense, the problem is that tyrants have abused it to their own benefits, as a corruptive mafia.
If not for the bloody years of Stalin & Mao. who knowes maybe it wouild sweep the west, especially at a momentum created after the overwhelimg global moral victory over Mussolini/Hitler's facism.

 

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the communism doesnt work not because Stalin or Mao shot his people (who were disloyal) but because communism does not work with authority figures...the corruption on the higher state and the undermining of work of a person who works against a person who is a slacker...

 

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Communism is not even good in ideal. See my "A Moral Indictment of Communism" available here for why I purport such.

 

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it is good in ideal. you haven't experienced communism to understand it. I have.

 

Where did you experience it?

 

USSR from 1986-1993. and don tell me USSR collapsed in 1992...the real power didnt give in until the end of 1993.

 

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You mean Soviet Socialism ?

 

So you experienced miserable economic decline until a bloodless coup deposed the Communist authorities and lead to the shattering of Russia?

And you consider this "ideal"?

 

I felt USSR before the economic decline...and it was close to utopia. Of course by than the tanks broke the silence and Gorbachev and Eltsin rose to squeeze the liberation inside everyone of us.

 

How was it close to utopia? The USSR didn't break up over everything being great. It broke apart from everything being terrible.

 

thats what you hear in media and britain controlled history.

In reality the only time USSR had beared scars on its citizens was during Stalin and that was in 50's.
Transportation was free
Medicare was free
Education was the best there is
People were not hungry
There were almost no crimes
no terrorists
people were close together...they helped...they sang songs together
You could walk anywhere you wanted...there were no private lands...
And Russia is huge...you did not feel any constraints
And lots of other benefits for children, students, workers...

I do not wish to continue this discussion, I am sorry...but I know you will never understand me. You have to experience it...to understand what I mean.

 

Draqon:

Transportation may have been free - but how reliable and good was it?
Medicare might have been free - but how reliable and good was it?
Education was the best there is? Socialist governments had pathetic education systems.
People were not hungry? Perhaps not in Moscow, but everywhere else...
Almost no crimes? Because the secret police would burn down your family's home.
No terrorists? Same reason.
People are not close together now?
You couldwalk anywhere you wanted to, but everything was crap because there were no private land.

You're whitewashing history. Moreover, you were a child when you experienced Russia as such.

 

An American teaching a Russian about Russia.

It really doesn't get any better, folks.

 

The historical record shows what went down in Russia in the 80's and early 90's.

 

Capitalist historical records from a country that used military force to regulate the growth of communism shows that communist countries are bad places filled with horrible tortures and deprivation?

You don't say?

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Come on. Communist countries had to erect walls to keep their people IN. Even that wasn't enough. They had to man the walls with machine guns. Communism is hell on earth.

I have family suffering under the yoke of communism in Cuba. They live like animals. As President Reagan said, the Soviet Union was the evil empire.

 

I don't know about Cuba, but I have Russian friends who have no complaints with life under communism.

 

samcdkey:

Most of the records do not come from sources of bias. In fact, pretty much any non-Communist source in any country, will admit that life in the Soviet Union was pretty terrible, even up till the 1990's. Even many Communists have had to accept that life in the USSR was miserable and a failure.

History is clear: Life sucked in the USSR and the USSR was a bad system.

 

How many times do people got to repeat to you, all that history that shows Soviet Union's suffering people...is part of the Cold War scheme...its bias, its not true. My parents lived in Soviet Union they described it and what I saw and experienced before it collapsed was much better than anything in USA. Better in a sense of security, freedom, and unison socialty amongst people<--- something USA has never and never will experience. The only failure of USSR was that it had accepted Baltic countries in its union...countries like Lithuania, Litva, Estonia, Latvia...all those who favored the German's envasion of Russia and thus Russia had to control them.

I dont know what sort of s**t happened in Cuba or anywhere else for that matter to make communism look so bad...I am talking Russia from end of Stalin's reign till the coming of suki Mr. Gorbachev.

 

Considering that Communism has never been practiced like it should be, its no wonder it keeps failing. As stated by Marx/Engels, communism needs to be a world wide peaceful phenonemon.

People simple are not ready for communism. Human greed and and selfish desires always get in the way. There seems to be no direct common goal for people to put their energies behind I suppose.

Also one has to find the balance between communism and liberalism. The state can not control all, just like the individual can not disobey all. There has to be a balance between the two.