Wouldn't it be for tyrants Stalin/Mao Would Communism succeed as a noble idea?

Now it is, thanks to all the "help" they got from their Russian "friends".

 

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Scifune:

I gave you a summary of my argument. If you need clarification further, please read it fully, as I'd be essentially writing my essay for you twice if I elaborate.

I argue that this is the soul of Communism itself.

 

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The facts that commuinsm killed so many via Stalin & Mao shows you that it never has a chance.

 

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WAS MAO SO EVIL????

sure he killed millions... and maybe stalin did to....

but so did alexander the great... and napoleon killed plenty...

lots of people killed other people... it is the history of earth.

if you are going to question the worth of communism....

recognise... that in china... with 1 /4 th the population of earth.
no one goes hungry.

id say, china, is an example of communism succeding.

if we forced western capitalism on china... it would cause poverty.

it would cause hunger.

-MT

 

You're kidding, right ?

It's by shoving the trappings of communism into the crapper where they belong that has made China any progress in alleviating hunger. Foreign investment and capitalism are turning the nation around, not the nonsense in the "Little Red Book".

In China, the number of people suffering from undernourishment declined by 74 million during the period between 1992 to 2000, according to the FAO report...

Charles Riemenschneider, FAO director in North America, attributed the improvement made by China to a number of factors including policy incentives to local agricultural producers, good infrastructures and technologies for green revolution
http://www.china.org.cn/english/2002/Oct/45811.htm


Even with more recent efforts, all wasn't well in the Chin Empire...

The WFP has been working in China for 25 years, and has provided food assistance for about 35 million people.

"Clearly this is a place that no longer needs the operational engagement of World Food Programme on a daily basis," Morris said. "China has made great progress and has a lot to give to the rest of the world right now."

But Tang Shengyao, an official with the Ministry of Agriculture, said the country still needs appropriate international aid to help tackle its poverty woes.

In 2003, the number of Chinese people without adequate food and clothing stood at 29 million, official statistics indicated.

Despite the planned halt of WFP development aid operations in China in 2005, channels will remain open for China to receive assistance from the WFP in case of emergencies, according to Tang.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-12/14/content_400131.htm

 

that... food... is the basis of the maoist governments survival.

by feeding the people.... as long as food is plentiful.. there will be no rioting... no revolution.

and there hasnt been.

reports may say many things....

but lets face real numbers.... 4 billion china people.. eat alot of food.

if they dont have it... blood will spill...

blood has not spilled.

-MT

 

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Of course blood has spilled.

You said it yourself -

hence - no rioting... no revolution.

 

still... the white ENGLISH AND FRENCH men killed millions of indians... in america.

who talks about that.?

lots of people died... in lots of places.

-MT

 

This is a laugh. What do you mean by succeding? The only reason the economy of China is growing is because they fix the value of their currency, and dictate to the West how much their goods are worth. Float the yaun and the economy of china slows or stops.

You're skirting the point.

What about Castro? Don't forget the Cubans that he has killed.

And if Soviet Russia was so flowery, why are all the Soviet Bloc countries capatalist democracies now?

 

oh damn!!
haha!!
most of these people dont know what this is. you tell them, or i?

 

I understand that that occurred, especially after America was established, and somewhere along the way they ( or should I say "we" ? I'm american after all - then again, I wasn't there...) cooked up the notion that God Almighty had reserved the Continent especially for Mighty Whitey.

But that's another matter.

I'd say "dolling out" slugs and indefinite prison sentences was the basis for the Maoist govt's survival, though, same as Uncle Io's - hell, same as Lenin's.

Why did any of them have to engage in so much terror if the way they were professing was the be-all, end-all, super-duper-wondermous utopia to end all utopias ?

You'd think people would have been happy to have been provided the opportunity to be a part of something so fantastic.

 

Somebody say somethin', fer the luvva Mike !
:bugeye:

 

i thought he meant "cyka".
i dont think he did, now.

 

THE ONLY THING IN QUESTION... is ... was communism good for china?

well... they are all still alive... and not killing each other...

in fact it is open for us all to go and visit.

and the claims of its people in abject poverty... is NO greater than any peasent farmers life anywhere in the world.

they have as many people in china... as there are all over the rest of the world..... massive numbers....

and yet they eat... and live... in some fashion.

id say they have done a good job of keeping china stable and fed.

and now... slowly... in benefit to china.. they are globilizing, and making change as needed, when they want it...


and we... have the balls to say.. "hea... stop controlling your own currency."

what kind of shit is that?

they are a sovereign nation... and can focus on china.

something america should be doing... focusing on the usa.

-MT

 

Alive in spite of communism, not because of it.

By the by, wouldn't you call forced abortions "killing each other " ?
Forced Abortion Continues in China at Alarming Rate says Latest Report
Maybe it's been stopped since this report... doubt it, but you never know !

LoL
You can visit the place, just don't spread any "dangerous" ideas there...
PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF CHINA
Third son of Uighur activist Rebiya Kadeer in detention

Half-starved, poor, terrorized & ignorant are the terms I'd suggest... although the gov't seems to have at last discovered the seductive influence of consumerism - isn't that whole thing contrary to communism, though ?

Yeah... as the ruling elite needs/wants it !

Actually, we have the nerve to suggest a level playing field.
Of course, we're sort of ignoring the concept wherever we want as well, but for some reason the rest of the world sees this as practically criminal, while for a tyrannical police state like China, it's a "matter of national sovereignty".
Go figure !

Gotta agree with you there. We could start by pulling our investments out of China, and petitioning the IMF to let us default on our debt to the bastiges !
LoL !

 

cyka, Pidaras Garbochev....vsyu stranu hotel razvality.

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Communism is great, in theory. But humans don't share, it's not in our nature.

Please remember, PURE communism has never been tested. It DID work in the days when there were no cities and everyone lived for eachother in small communities. The only communism we have ever been witnessed too is a perverted form. So we really don't know.

Try socialism. Theres a difference between socialism and communism, and i think socialism would be fucking fantastic.

 

The Greatest Thing About Communism

No Religion

 

recognise... that in china... with 1 /4 th the population of earth.
no one goes hungry.


only you have to wait till may to buy bananas at the local store, or if you didnt buy your milk on sunday, you had to wait till next week when they restocked their shelves.

 

Never mind Sunday, they only opened 9-5 with a 2 hour break in the middle, no weekends.

Communism only works for the lower, welfare, non-ambitous class. Beacause they will always have food, medicine (same as food, you may have to wait 2 weeks for your doctor,but he was free)low crime. Because there is no motivation to be better, or work harder, most don't. Those that do do so, and when they get a chance, get out as fast as possible.

anyone that thinks its good should ask why someone living in it would risk their and their families lives to get out , be it across the soviet border to Austria, or across the Atlantic to Florida from Cuba. Can you imagine risking life for something that is so wonderfull?