Your best reason for not comitting suicide

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Magical Realist, Nov 12, 2013.

  1. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Personally, I've always tried to view life as we shouldn't choose a permanent solution to relieve a temporary problem. That said, I have no right to judge someone as "selfish," because of those close to me who have taken their own lives, they were overwhelmed with grief and despair. They must have reached a deep pit of pain and sorrow that I can't attest to, having not gone through it myself. It is not for any of us here to judge someone as "selfish" when it comes to something like this.
     
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  3. Balerion Banned Banned

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    I disagree.
     
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  5. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    If someone has suffered the loss of a loved one due to suicide, there is a variety of emotions that follow. I understand that very well. But, to judge such a person as selfish is wrong. I disagree with your view.
     
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  7. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Agree. Thank you for posting this as it is imperative that people understand the truth about depression and suicide.
     
  8. Trooper Secular Sanity Valued Senior Member

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    Relief is a pleasant and relaxed feeling that someone has when something unpleasant stops or does not happen. What you are looking forward to will not come. Death does not exist. Only the living can experience relief.
     
  9. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    No, it doesn't, and you know it.


    And yet there's plenty of people you'd be glad they offed themselves.
     
  10. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    Sometimes depression is the result of thinking too much. Sometimes it's better to reach out to spirit for healing.

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  11. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    If they "understand" it that way, they are bound to remain depressed and to make others depressed.
     
  12. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, to cast away the pale cast of thought!

    While one may never escape those conditionings, it is not clear how they are a "really good reason for sticking around."


    And whose doing is that?
     
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  14. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Bull, nothing I said precludes someone getting treatment, in fact they are more likely to get treatment when the people around them are less judgemental because the stigma itself is one of the biggest barriers to seeking help. People who say things like "pull yourself together" "I have been through stuff and I am fine" "If you loved me you wouldn't kill yourself" and all these other sorts of stupid statements leave someone who is already suffering distorted thoughts and can't see a way out with no where to go, you have just shut off another avenue of there treatment seeking.

    Guilting people and making deals with people is associated with increased suicide rates, proper care and reduction of stigma is associated with lower rates.

    As one of the links I posted said, depressed people DO think about those who care about them and love them when planing suicide, they think they will be better off without them, they are wrong but that is the thought process.

    Instead you need to Assess the risk and the situation and deal with the immediate crisis, listen to the person NON JUDGEMENTALLY, get them information from reputable sources to show them there IS help (things like beyond blue), encourage the person to seek APPROPRIATE professional help (not quack pots who think that appropriate mental health treatment is to "pray it away") and encourage them to put support structures in place, to talk to people they care about and who care about them.

    International Mental health first aid guidelines for Suicide and Depression
    http://www.mhfa.com.au/cms/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/MHFA_depression_guidelines_A4_2012.pdf
    http://www.mhfa.com.au/cms/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/MHFA_suicide_guidelines_A4_2012.pdf
     
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    Less thinking, more happy thoughts...more love...

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    The universe says, "I love you."

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    I'm still having a great time here.

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  20. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    Awesome!
     
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    I just remembered talking to this really sexy girl at the poolside, when i was about 15 years old. She had a cat snuggling in her lap and I was petting her cat. That is until her boyfriend showed up. *Sigh*
     
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    Religious war?
     

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