Your time upon this earth is ending...

First, science requires no "faith" whether you understand the specifics or not. Which, I will grant, most people do not. Why should they?

Faith is an acknowledgement of a complete lack of physical evidence.

Even if you don't understand chemistry, you can still accept that someone does, enough to make the artificial chocolate flavoring in that doughnut that you enjoy so much. Do you have no physical evidence that the chemist knows some objective facts about sugar molecules? Sure you do. The doughnut. Without understanding any science specifics, I can research the objective evidence for any claims of science.

 

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Faith is trust, and trust is based upon something...some evidence....some knowledge of the thing/person/God/institution that you choose to trust or not to trust and to what degree. My faith in God is based upon my knowledge of Him that I gained by interacting with Him, watching Him work in my life, and what He's taught me and how. I trust Him 100% and with my whole life.

 

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And as you know, my friend, I trust the doughnut.

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You seemingly have this ongoing habit of calling me an asshole anytime I happen to debate your claims or disagree with you - and that's after ignoring my last couple of posts.

Even if you did have a god dwelling in your head, I personally fail to see the benefit of it.

A) It makes you come across like you're a drivelling nutcase.

B) You have been given time and dates and they have passed fruitless.You're still sitting there waiting for a voice in your brain to hand you some rockstar without realising that it isn't gonna happen - and would stand more chance if you actually used your own effort instead of relying on a space fairy to do it all for you.

C) Another reason for 'hoping' one doesn't become infected by the space fairy is because it is known to cause some real serious issues: Look at that woman a while back who got told by the very same brain dwelling sky fairy to stone her children to death. I'm concerned it might say something similar to you, and to be honest I don't want to see innocent children die. There are hundreds of cases similar to these - all dictated by the very same sky fairy.

You will undoubtedly try to deny the legitimacy of their claims, which is exactly why people here are doing the same to you.

It's people like you the world needs to keep an eye on lest some more abortion clinics get blown up, a few kiddies get stoned to death or you start crawling into lions cages at the zoo. Ok, you're admittedly nowhere near as bad as Yorda, yet, but his blatant insanity appears to be generally harmless whereas yours will most likely lead to death and destruction.

You know, I generally trust in a parent's ability to realise when their children have issues. Your parents took you to get a brain scan. That to me shows that your parents thought there was something wrong with you, not right with you - which indeed raises some questions. People who are well and in loving relationships don't look ill - they positively glow. They look vibrant and happy and healthy. You looked like you had a brain tumour. Work it out.

Not only do I consider that the absolute pinnacle of cowardice, but I would question where it ends.. Given your above statement surely you believe in all of the millions of gods and beliefs incase you get caught with your pants down and end up in their particular versions of hell? Will you ask to have your brain put in a jar and be buried next to a boat just incase Egyptian beliefs are true so you can sail off to the next life? Will you blow a few people up just incase allah exists and you don't want to miss out on your chance of happiness with 70 virgins? So, why have you seemingly settled for one piece of fiction over others and how do you think doing so would leave you any less vulnerable to being caught with your pants down? There's 999,999 other gods you have neglected... Your odds don't look too good to be honest.

 

Hmm...

Unfortunately, I think this is true.

 

I drop-kicked the god that created hell right back into his hell, and I have been laughing ever since at all the gods
That break down doors
To give me their souls
So that they can then die laughing.
-- just words

 

Lori, can I ask you to describe the nature of this voice?
Has it any timbre or texture, is it deep or high pitched?
Is it a whisper? Can it's owner be identified by it's sound or just by it's meaning?

It might be a bit hard to describe.......But I would appreciate it if you could try.....

 

Now this is more like it....how refreshing....

There is no sound. I don't hear Him with my ears. It's a spiritual communication of some sort...spirit to spirit...telepathic...don't really claim to know how it works but...

You know how it is when you have a thought in your mind, you assign words to that thought, to describe it even to yourself...like talking to yourself? Well, it "sounds" like that, only it's not your thought and you're not assigning the words. I noticed that when we have conversations that He's already given me His answer by the time I'm done mentally articulating the question. I remember trying to stop articulating to myself during a conversation with Him because I felt like I was slowing things down so much by having to use words. Ok, how weird did that just sound...even to me?

Anyway, there's no timber or texture...no pitch, and no volume. But, there is inflection, vocabulary, semantics, meaning, and intensity. He doesn't use vocabulary that I don't understand...not when speaking to me directly...but He has told me quite a few things that I did not understand until much later and by going through some experience. He doesn't speak the way I do though. He speaks perfectly and true...no exaggeration whatsoever....not even to make a point....no mincing words...no talking in circles. He says things that I would never say to myself....things about which I am unfamiliar or incorrect, which is probably why He's talking to me about them in the first place. He's said things to me that seemed so strange, that even though I know His voice, I was scared for a minute...because I just didn't understand at all. But later, it was explained to me very well. Sometimes it's like an implanted thought or notion or inclination. Sometimes it's an answered prayer or an epiphany. Sometimes He uses other people, or all kinds of wordly sources to communicate with me too...like art recently. He's done a lot of communicating though different kinds of art during this whole miracle thing that I've been through. There have been times that I've had rather lengthly conversations with Him. Other times when His voice is very intrusive and kind of "out of nowhere". And then that one time when he yelled at me. Yelling = urgency and authority in inflection and by intense, I mean most intrusive into my mind or "loud", even though there isn't really a "volume". It is hard to describe, but I hope this helps somewhat.

 

Awesome.

 

I called you an asshole, not because you disagree with me, as everyone does, but because you do it in an insulting, rude, and extremely belligerent way. Snake, I know a lot of really nice, pleasant, and polite people, who actually like me...love me even...even though they disagree with me just as much as you do.

Upon consideration, I can be pretty brutal with people sometimes myself. Maybe you're a "what comes around, goes around" guy.

Truth is that it really bothers me that you hate me so...it hurts my wittle feewings. Maybe I thought calling you an asshole would make you like me better...lol.

I'm sorry if I missed your posts...I sometimes don't have time to read the ones who are not addressing me directly. So, what did I miss? I'll go back and look...

As far as I can tell, you fail to see a lot of things.

No it doesn't. I come across as an extremely honest, unpretentious, sane, educated and rational woman who is saying something that you and many other people just don't want to hear. And you come across as the kind of person who feels better after they've made someone cry.

I was not "given" times and dates for anything. That happens to be the hardest part of all of this for me...waiting and not knowing exactly what it is that I'm waiting for or how long. I guessed at those dates on my own. And I should know better by now. I've never been able to anticipate God or His ways. It's stupid to try really. So your advice is to rely on my own effort?!?!? Wow, are you ever missing the whole point of this. lol...

There are also just as many, if not more, cases of life-saving interventions, miraculous healings, answered prayers, and other heart-warming accounts of victory...much like my own. There is a Holy Spirit and there are unholy spirits. Who a person listens to is up to them. Are they even listening in the first place? And if so, do they want the truth or a lie? And so they get what they want. I've told you that my ex husband has a voice driving him mad...convincing him of conspiracies against him...that people are spying on him....through the tv even. It tells him, "Go ahead and kill yourself."...over and over. He's been hospitalized three times, and is currently on anti-psychotic meds.

Ok, now compare that "fruit" if you will, to what has manifest in my life because of my "voice". What Jesus has done has saved my life. It's done more than that...it's made it a life worth living. I'm healthier, happier, and more fulfilled now, and as a direct result of this "miracle", than I've ever been in my life. And like I said, the motherload hasn't even manifested for me just yet. It says in the Bible that you can recognize a spirit by it's fruit...good spirit, good fruit...bad spirit, bad fruit....I know, this stuff is rocket science, isn't it?

*cyber-slap*

You sound like some hysterical woman. What is wrong with you? What death and destruction?

So do you know what I find completely hilarious? The way you're always going on about "the children, the children, oh save the children"...well...

I would guess the average age of the fans of my rock star's band to be oh, about 16, maybe 17. All the millions of them...that hang on to his every word as if it were the gospel itself. To say that they idolize him doesn't even do it justice. They love him. And now, because of what has happened to him, they're all going to get to hear about Jesus from the man and the band that they practically worship. It's all so perfect, it's f'ing beautiful. When I think about all of those young people coming to know Christ..."saved by rock and roll"...it just blows my mind. And then I think of you Snake, and it makes me laugh.

Snake, I was glowing. That's actually a really good word for it. People have done nothing but tell me how good I look since this happened to me. All of the "fruit"...all of the changes were good changes. Honestly, my eating and "other" habits were so poor before this happened, that just about anything would have been an improvement. But the changes turned out to be extreme...but all good. The only negative thing that some people said was that I was too thin. I was 5'5", and a fit 120lbs. I think they were just used to seeing me fat is all. lol.

It wasn't how I looked, but what I said. It was obvious that something happened to me...all of the drastic changes...and gee, the fact that it was all I wanted to talk about. I told them everything...and they didn't want to believe it either. They told me that the reason they considered something physical was because the alternative was something mental, and in interacting with me, knowing me as they do, they just didn't see anything wrong at all. They had to admit that I was clearly happier, healthier, and more fulfilled and energetic than they had ever seen me. The only other alternative is to believe what I'm saying is the truth, and they're just not into it. Now they just try to ignore the subject, which is best I think. They tell themselves that I have a "fixation" because I'm lonely, which doesn't make any logical sense, but that's ok. It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to get them out of dealing with what I'm really testifying to.

 

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Yes, thats admittably a difficulty. The traditional answer, for as much as you deem it useful to settle thy mind, is as follows:

God created them so that we might have the opportunity to go beyond our tendency for shallow loving of others based on mere appearence. That it is a challenge for us. Even Christ did not heal all the hideous lepers.
ALSO: Some of these ugly folk are much more spiritually advanced than the rest of us, many of them eventually realize the ultimate truth; That it is greater to love others than to recieve love.

 

I'm sorry, where have I been insulting or rude to you here? Kindly point it out because I can't find it.

I'm certain you do, but it's not of any real relevance.

I do not hate you in the slightest, indeed I feel deeply sympathetic to your situation. I speak to people in a similar position to you on a daily basis and have heard these kind of tales countless times. Do not think I hate you, but that I will try to help, or perhaps just debate against what you think is real - without having the slightest little way of being able to show it as such. You have manifested an inner person to 'aid' in your personal and somewhat scary 'needs', and that's pretty much all there is to it. The patient will rarely understand that, but perhaps one day with some serious work you can finally escape your prison and become a 'free' individual.

Slightly humorous, but also somewhat pointless.

Yes.. It does.

The clearest sign of delusion thus far.

This is simply a naive statement. My job is to hear this kind of stuff, and it doesn't phase me in the slightest - whether it's god, the devil or tinky winky you hear in your head.

Crying has many benefits. I have always thought people should do it more often.

Strange, given that the last time we spoke about this it was you telling me it would be halloween.. end of story.

Based upon what exactly? You just picked any old number?

 

Thanks Lori.........

 

Snake,

Even your sympathy is apparently kind of hateful. Hm...well, I'd like to try not to be so sensitive about it, but I am a girl. I really hate that sometimes, but wouldn't want to be a boy either.

And I love your idea about discussing with me under the assumption that what I am testifying to is the truth. I really don't think that it's fair for someone to be labeled a liar or delusional out here, unless it can be proven. I call Lawdog a liar, but only because what he says contradicts the Bible, which he claims to base his faith on....so I can....I have proof. You don't have proof to determine that I'm lying or that I'm delusional. It is your opinion, and it's one that leads a discussion nowhere, and insults me at the same time, so...I won't miss hearing about it at all.

Crying sucks. Fuck crying....

And about Halloween....I told you about how devastated I was...I really thought it was Halloween. I remember that you said something nice to me after I admitted that I was wrong about the date. That really stands out in my mind....it was so unusual of you. You should have seen me and this place on Halloween...yea, I was sure....sure wrong. But I looked cute in my costume. I had come to my conclusion about that date based upon information that the band had released, through different media, regarding the holiday of course, and other things.

 

No, thank you.

 

Yea, you're asking the wrong person.

Me too; I know.

Good.

Ok, that's cool. I seem to be a bit sensitive lately...

No, I did not do it myself. I didn't do it at all. It was as if I didn't have a choice. It was as if I turned into someone who had never drank, or smoked or eaten meat, or drank coffee, for crying out loud...it was weird. And wonderful, because I didn't suffer one bit...

Not one withdrawal symptom. It was a miracle, I tell you. And it was more than a lack of withdrawal symptoms too. It was as if I turned into a different person for about three months. There was a lot going on at the time on a spiritual level. The cessation of my addictions almost seemed like a side-effect to me. A wonderful one of course...one that saved my life, I'm sure.

Well, you have to admit that it's consistent with scripture, which I would like to think, gives me some ground out here. Even if you don't believe in the value of the scripture, you know I do. Don't you have a conscience Bells? That small voice inside you? Usually makes you feel guilty when you do something "wrong"...makes you cry when you witness compassion.

A lack of proof does not prove the nonexistance of anything. At least I have something to offer to the conversation.

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I don't know about Jadon, but I point out that Lawdog is in direct contradiction of the scripture that he says his "church" is founded upon, and wouldn't know Jesus if He slapped him in the head.


I post out here, what I do, because it really happened to me, and I want to tell somebody. All I'm asking for is a little respect. I know that what I attest to is a bit out of the ordinary, but so fucking what. Open your minds a little bit...or at the very least, don't be hostile. I'm not used to being the black sheep...I'm not used to being called crazy. How would you feel if this happened to you?

 

Welll hey Lori, I was a pot smoker, crack addict, alcoholic, and that was when I was a christian, soon as I stoped, and started educating myself, I became an atheist. Atheism saved my life.

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The decision was not overnight, it was well thought out in several years time, what you feel is a remnant of those days, you only feel that god is speaking to you, not that you hear him, in audible voice. This is good a sign, othewise I'd say If you "hear" god you are going schizophrenic.

When I decided to be an atheist I had withdrawals feelings of missing god within my life, but in time I healed from this delusion also. I'm 43 years old I've been an atheist for apx 22 years and never felt hapier and sure of my abilities and myself.

Godless

 

There is no sound. I don't hear Him with my ears. It's a spiritual communication of some sort...spirit to spirit...telepathic...don't really claim to know how it works but...

Very nice, but your story in no way indicates you're speaking and listening to a god. You cannot explain any of it but instead merely assume a god is speaking to you. In fact, what you have described is schizophrenia.

If you have concluded this to be a god, it is because you WANT it to be a god.