nobody knows excactly were the et's are from, they could be from a different dimention, or the future. they cold be from a different planet too. but i was wonderi=ng what you all think, i think thast the so called greys are related to us, cause they have a lot of physical charactaristrics that are the same.

Without seeing them approach from an orbital observation platform, it would be impossible to tell, astronomically, where they were from exactly, per se. However, my opinion is that they are from a planet with low light and a very humid atmosphere. The gravity would be low and I don't believe the temperature would be very high. This is all, of course, assuming that they followed evolutionary laws similar to our own. I do not believe they are related to us, only genetically similar.

One thing that this has got me thinking about is that in abduction reports of people being elswhere, supposedly on alien craft, the gravity of the room is earth-like. To my knowledge there haven't been any reports of aliens with walkers or stumbling around. Unless they happened to evolve on a planet of roughly the same gravity, perhaps a series of steps or further space evolution has caused their adaptations. This goes for the eyes as well, it's pretty dark out there in space.

To go into further speculation, assuming that they evolved similar to us isn't that big of an assumption. The conditions necessary for a bipedal species to evolve, are as far as we know are unique to the diversity of a planet like ours.

We look like them because they have been here before many times. Man is made in THEIR image. The image of the elohim. They helped God to create us in the days before Adam. These remnants are the offspring of the sons of God breeding with the daughters of men. They were of this earth for many years, and they were "men of renown". That is why God flooded the earth, but they left before, and now they are back, to accomplish the same thing that they were trying for before. To perpetuate the demon seed (abduction and hybridization).

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Lori,

All I can do is ask you if you truly believe what you just wrote? Further more I would be interested in knowing which God you are refering too, there are just so many these days, even more if you include ancient Gods from ancient religions!

Mike,

Yes I do believe what I just wrote, for crying out loud. If you think about it (which I'm sure is a mute point), it's just about the only plausible explanation. Given ALL of the information, from abduction testimony, messages received through alien contact, and all kinds of prophecy (not JUST the Bible), it's really the only thing that makes sense. What don't you believe exactly? That the aliens are spiritually enlightened? Well then, ask an abductee what they think. Everyone I've ever heard about seems to think FOR SURE that they are. They speak telepathically, practice mind control, and can appear and disappear at will. Basically, point by point, they have the EXACT same characteristics as the angels (elohim) described in the Bible. That's why so many people are convinced that they wrote the Bible. They are enlightened (not to mention that they claim to have written it). Enlightened but evil. What do you think the odds are that as soon as they do arrive, we transform into a "new world order"? What are the chances of the alien presence ushering in every single bit of Biblical prophecy relating to end times events? Pretty slim, huh? Well, you just wait and watch then.

And OF COURSE SILLY, I'm talking about the God of Isreal, Yaweh I believe His name is. You know, the Father of the Son???? Is this ringing any bells with you? Where have you been for the past 2000 years, in a cave somewhere in the Appalachians? Another very intriguing arguement made in this book, is that the ancient gods of which you speak really were gods of a sort. The same gods that I'm saying are aliens, or are responsible for them. It is our egotistical nature to assume that people of ancient civilizations believed in these mythological gods because they were just stupid, and didn't know any better. A much more plausible explanation is that they really were worshipping real gods (fallen angels), just not THE REAL GOD. Same thing today; polytheism and self-worship are back in style. I guess we've really progressed over time, huh? LOL!

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On the contrary,
The eyes being the way they are ( black almond ) points to a bright system, more than likely a binary star system. That being the case - they would be quite muscular ( and shorter? ) because gravity would be greater in a bi-star system.

Okay Lori,

My first point is, I asked you which god you believe in simply because there are six billion people on this planet and less than one eighth are Christian. I feel it's disrespectful to use the general term God and assume everyone knows which god you believe in.

I don't believe in Aliens, angels, ghosts, goblins, fairies and pixies.

However, I am interested in not so much other peoples beliefs, but their need to believe. I'd be interested Lori to find out why you so passionatly pursue "and I've read some of your posts" such an extremist angle on the whole alien concept?

Instead of a thread always piling up with replies, I am going to add instead.

Where they are from could be anywhere if you ask me. But i again want to ask the question.

How many years have we had to develop technology? The industrialized world started in the mid 1850's i believe, so compared to how old this world is, and the estimate of how old the universe is, there could be races out there millions, if not billions of years old. If there are such races out there which i believe is, then i would also think that their ways of transport is unimaginable for us, and to reach this little speck of dust in the void, would not be much of a problem if there excist such races. And the possibillity for that there are many of them is what? since we do not know how big the universe is, how can we then estimate how many races there are? Right now we are basing our facts on estimates times estimates equals fact..

You be the judge

That's a good question I guess. Why do I passionately pursue? Because something just ain't right. As a matter of fact something is terribly wrong!!! People are being abducted, and they're scared, and no one understands the alien motive or purpose. People are being treated as puppets and lab rats, and taken against their will. If I thought that these creatures were completely "biological" in nature, then I would be more afraid for myself, and afraid in a different kind of way. Afraid to become something's pet or slave. But it seems that these beings are a lot more than just biological creatures, and people's souls are at stake here. Deceived by the master of deceipt. Shit, we can easily be deceived by humans for crying out loud; it's very very likely that humans would be deceived by gods. Once upon a time, I was like you, and I didn't believe in anything. Or I was apathetic about it anyway. I know what it's like to be without God's influence in my life. I was still a good and nice person, just like you. I guess that you don't believe in intuition or the holy spirit either, right? I know it sounds insane to you, but I've been shown things. Things I never even wanted to know really. Why? So I can come out here and spread the word I guess. So I can provoke some thought, and give a warning. Just promise me you guys that if things start really getting weird, and the things (prophecy) I've talked about starts coming to life, then please, please consider what I've said. What I can't understand is why anyone would ASSUME that they have good intentions, especially given the horrendous things they've done to people. It doesn't make sense to me.

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H-Kon: Have you ever heard of Drake's Equation? I don't think it's ever been solved. I'll send it to you if you like, as it has much to do with what you posted.

Lori: You fly off the handle pretty easily. Sit back, take a deep breath, and come back when you can practice some of the patience that your messiah preached.

All: I figured a low gravity world because of the reports of their large heads resting on skinny necks. Unless their skulls are abnormally light or their skeletal structure abnormally strong, this wouldn't make sense in a high gravity environment. Of course, it's also possible that they are wearing environmental suits instead of running around naked. I've seen many different types of E-Suits and it doesn't take a big stretch of the imagination to describe it as an alien.

Oxygen: Don't tell me what to do.

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Lori, get a life--stop preaching, damn im sick of christians--the only ones that have to shove their damn religion down your throat--get a grip not everyone believes the same way Lori--and your not going to convert us. You're the first person ive seen call themselves a christian and cuss as much as i do, and damn you talk about a hypocrite?
Anyway,anyone have a fax line,i can fax this dna sheet to someone with a scanner,its been a long day and my moods not the greatest,but yall take care lol i'll be checking the board periodically.


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Lori is expressing herself on this board. You don't have to read her posts...nobody is forcing their opinions down anybody's throat. Just scroll past them when you see her name on the left! Nobody is forcing you to read them. How many of you read the ads that this Bulletin Board has on every page??
It's so easy , isn't it.
I listen to Plato go on about the brain
I listen to Boris go on about science
I listen to Xeno go on about "no such thing as aliens here"
I listen to Faer go on about his abductions
I listen to Flash crack a wise one every post
I listen to Alien begging for an answer, as I always do here
I also listen to Lori put her view across and not once has anybody had the decency to respect her point of view and say, OK that's how she sees things... Instead she gets bagged and slandered and then when she gets her back up, as a normal person trying to get through life would, ( because she has told us so many times she is not perfect - so accept it, guys! )everyone starts with the 'hypocryte' lines.
Finally, the whole point of the thread gets lost and it all turns to crap. Then we all go to the next thread and the circus starts again.
Hey, don't get me wrong, I'm part of the problem too. I know I should be more diplomatic than I am but I, too, am only human.
Why don't we ALL take a breathe and have more fun on this board. Share our thoughts with others and slow down on the bagging!??
:)

Kind regards,
Dave.

Dave- I mean no disrespect to anyone. I only read Lori's posts when they refer to something that has my interest. I just wonder about the sincerity when a person (and there are many, so Lori, I'm not singling you out) preaches love while shaking a clenched fist.

Lori- I understand that you feel passionately about your faith. More power to you. I lost my faith years ago, by choice. Maybe I can clear the air about what I mean when I say to step back and take a deep breath. Your posts are good reading, but they lose a lot of their flavor when the name-calling begins or when condescending phrases are used. It's like putting car ads in the middle of the bible. (Yes, I've read the bible. All of it.) "And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance forever." Isaiah 32:17. I ask you, as one of the fallen, stay your sword hand and spread peace. Feel absolutely free to e-mail me at any time. Believe it or not, I kinda like you. You write better than most I've dealt with and your arguments are intelligent.

All-The Net is not for the faint of heart. Be careful what you post. You don't know whose feathers you're ruffling, and not everyone prefers the peaceful approach.

I thought this was an Aliens post? Not religeous, unless you accept Lori's beliefs in which case the two are intertwined.

But one thing, why is the general consensus that aliens are evil. Assuming they've been here for several thousand years then why now are they a threat?

Why do they have to have evil intentions?

If they created us, and we prove to be a danger, then surely they consider the right to destroy us? Like a Mother aborting a pregnancy.

I'm not a believer in Aliens or Gods, but if we were created as an experiment, for what purpose? How long will we be of interest? What happens when our creators exhaust all areas of our exploration? What happens when they decide to leave? Are we alone now or will we be alone in the future or have we always been alone?

Lots of questions with no answers, I think the sad thing is most people don't want real answers, they're just happy to live and die holding their beliefs like so many others before.

I believe that we tend to assume that they are "evil" because of the traumatic reports by abductees. My personal feeling on the matter is that they are more like zoologists than an invading force. They hunt us, run us down, tranquilize us, put a tracker or two in us, then let us go. It's the same thing we do to wild animals to observe their living habits.

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Why Oxygen, are you quoting Bible verses to me? *blink, blink*

I think that Chris Rock said it best when confronted regarding his foul mouth...

I could say "you need to fucking go to church!"

or I could say "excuse me kind sir, but may I offer you some heroin please?"

In other words, it's more what you say than how you say it. I'm not trying to offend anyone, that's just how I talk. Dated too many rednecks that talked like sailors, I guess. Then again, I've dated a few sailors too. LOL!

Also, you are contradicting yourself. Let me see if I've got this right...you can't stand Christians because they are so "holier than thou", and trying to shove their beliefs down your throat, and being all judgemental, right? Well, the fact that I cuss like a sailor must tell you and everyone else that I am NOT holier than thou, and I'm not putting on some hypocritical front to show how Jesus-like I am, because I'm not. Not even close. For many Christians, they think that if they ACT a certain way, or SAY a certain thing, that is what makes them a Christian, but they are missing the entire point of the religion. I am a Christian because I believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Christ, the Son of God. It doesn't have a thing to do with how I talk. It has to do with my beliefs, and my beliefs influence my intent. What is my intent when cussing? To communicate expressively. Is this wrong? No, it's not, unless it offends or embarrasses someone. So if you cuss like a sailor too, then why are you so offended???????? LOL!

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Dave,

I was trying to say that what they look like might be very different than what they originally looked like on their planet/moon. Considering the possibility that they are millions or even billions of years old, evolution would continue. And that's not even factoring in any adjustments they might have made for themselves. I agree that more gravity would mean a comparitively more muscular alien, but you're saying that a binary system would be bright and that this would cause their eyes to be large? And if the two stars were of equal mass and equidistant,at a minimum how far would they have to be apart? I don't know so I'm asking.

Oxygen:

I have heard about it, and even thought about making any sence of it. .It is still an estimate times estimate equals fact.. and its wrong.

Until someone comes down here to hand us the encyclopedia galatctica, even then i would think they are estimating the numbers out there.

How many galaxies are out there?

......."there is no life out there".....sorry but i cannot understand that.

Best
Haakon

H-kon,
I agree with you. More space than we can mentally grasp yet no life. For some I guess they must believe that however mathematically speaking theres life out there.

Lori- This is getting off the original string of this topic. Can we discuss this through e-mail? Or should we meet at the Religious Debate forum?

I am not offended by foul language. I served my time with the fleet. As to why I quoted the bible, many atheists have never read it. They call it crap without knowing what's inside. I guess I quoted it to show that I am thinking, not merely reacting. If the forum moderator has no objections, I'll meet you at the Religious Debate post.

Just me and you. Let's take it ouside.

There are two arguements,

1, The Universe is so immense that life elsewhere must exsist.

2, Intelligent alien life is visiting this planet.

The two are entirely seperate, and should be treated as such. The first should not be used as a kind of proof for the other.

Mike,

I agree with you regarding the separate arguements. Some assume that because I think that the aliens that are visiting us are really the nephilum spoken of in Genesis, that I don't think there is a possibility of life existing elsewhere, but that's not so. Statistically, it is probable. But I don't think it's probable that this life, where ever it is, could reach us, and monitor us like these beings have for centuries. I also don't think it would lend to all of this new age mumbo-jumbo that is popping up all over the place. I think that the alien phenomenon can explain a lot of the unexplained in Genesis. What about all of the catastrophic prophecy that they are communicating? Why is it that the aliens land, and all of a sudden we're at the dawn of a new age? I think their agenda is much more than just to observe, and conduct experiments and whatnot. What about the hybrids????? What the hell is that about? Why are they claiming to have written the Bible? This shit just doesn't add up any other way. Maybe Eric can help with the agenda question??? Why the war? Why the hybrids? Why the spiritual enlightenment? Why the new age? What have you been told? I know that you don't like me, but I sure would appreciate some info if you've got it.

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LOL Lori Lori Lori, I like you, sorry, i just thought you were bashing on Blaze for no reason, like she said i didnt know there was more to the conversation via e-mail lol.
Anyway,you are probably the most open-minded christian ive seen yet other than the Wiccan chaplains ive met in the army lol.
About the agenda,from what ive seen,it depends on the species,I know through gut instinct,one of the grey factions has planted us here,they are here to protect us from whats iminently going to take place.The Reptilians and another Grey faction are here to experiment on us for whatever there motive is i dont know. The Subterraneans,now thats a good question,when i met them,one was a child and i was under the impression it was here to learn about humans,the other was just there and the third was sinister. The lightning species i have no clue it only appeared twice and was just in our house moved around and was gone,this is the only time i ever saw the dog respond to any of the species. He slept through the Subterranean visit and the abductions.
Another encounter was similiar to the lightning species in that it was just in the apartment,there was a presence, you could see what appeared to be heat waves but they moved intelligently,then they were gone.
This last time,it was very friendly,and i got the impression it would come back if i needed it but i havent tried yet still kind of in shock over that visit since it had been so long. Like i said its hard to get used to the fact that you are talking to your own wife lol.I believe there is a faction of Greys since they are the most common abductors involved in these hybrids,they are making a new earth,to take the place of this one,they abduct animals,take plant specimens etc. Some encounters i have read about involve the abductee watching a 'movie' in which there is a depiction of earth only it is perfect.They are making hybrids for this new earth,because ultimately our world will be destroyed. Man in all his greed for power shall destroy his own world. As for the date i was given the entity said it would be like a nuclear blast not necessarily caused by the aliens. Hope that helps some of the answers i need to ponder some more.
We are in the process of trying to get orders back to Germany,most of our experiences happened there so maybe we can find some more answers. Take care all and have a great day
P.S. yer not a tick lol

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I never said I didn't like you Lori, and if I have offended you in some way please accept my sincere apologies. However, it's just that I find your beliefs so hard to take in. You can understand why? Can't you?

I have to agree with Oxygen... They are probably doing to us what we do to animals on earth... tracking us and observing our living habits. Where do they come from? From SOMEWHERE in our universe... Does it really matter? We probably wouldn't recognize the place even if they told us and we certainly couldn't get there yet, without their help. If they wanted us to know, some of us would probably have been taken there already. On the other hand, perhaps they are the nomads of the universe and don't have a specific place they call home? Who knows... Anyway, if I ever come across them again, I'll try to remember to ask.

Thanks, Eric. I appreciate that. Mike, I was talking to Eric, sweety.

Eric, how do the subteranian species move about? What type of a structure do they live in below ground? I have seen satelite pictures before, that seem to indicate an elaborate structure under the ground. I can't remember what sight I saw these pictures on but I know the place was out west somewhere. Have you seen what I'm talking about? Is that the kind of place where they live? Are they in with the military at all, or are they undetected? So, I see that you are apocalyptic-minded as well. Do you see similarities between what the aliens are telling us, and what the Bible tells us? Do you think that's coincedence, or do you think that aliens wrote the Bible, or what? Have you ever encountered a "being of light"? Like a "master", "avatar", whatever? These seem to be different from the alien races, yes? I'm gonna post some stuff from a book I just read out here, and just be prepared, you're not going to like it. Keep in mind though, that I'm not trying to offend you, or anyone that has had contact. I'm just trying to figure out what the hell's going on like you are, and like we all are. Do you think that the theory that the aliens are the same creatures that are called nephilum in the Bible? Do you think it's possible? If so, then why or why not?

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Ok, sorry about the lapse lol been busy getting our car ready for the road,military life,and batting down the hatches in case the hurricane reaches us. We are taking a road trip from Atlanta to Wa State to see family in Nov if anybody lives along our route would be glad to stop and have coffee somewhere and chat in person.
Anyway,in reference to the millions of people abducted i'll have to find my reference from the particular poll i saw that on. But think about the numbers of people in the world, not the U.S.,not europe...the world.
Lori,cant find too much on the Subterranean species really only know what they told me,which wasnt much only that they had been with me since childhood. Trying to figure out if Subterraneans-Reptilians are same species.....not sure yet. So cant tell you what structure they live in. I do know,based on research..the Reptilians are supposed to be based underground in Dulce,N.M. along with military and a Grey Subspecies. There are 22 subspecies of the Grey,most are less than friendly,one made a contract with the Eisenhower administration. The Reptilians were living in an alternate dimension originally and had no access to ours until the govt did the Philadelphia Experiment and stumbled into their dimension. They signed a contract with the Reptilians which the Reptilians broke once they realized the govt had no control over them. I believe the govt also has there own agenda with some experimentation which is at times mistaken for alien abduction,which explains some of the unusual craft which is seen. So thats where i stand with the military issue. I do know my unit has an x-files type division but its run by civilians who have a security clearance far above my own,and i dont ask lol.
I really dont like being apocalyptic but just going by what i see going on and what im told by our visitors which may or may not be true,i just write down the dates and see what happens. As far as Revelations, it may be true,that book is so full of riddles its all up to individual intrepretation what some of it could mean. i see the world is going to hell in a handbasket,the U.S. first lol which is one reason we are trying to get stationed back in Germany.
As far as aliens writing the Bible,i dont believe so, i did hear about one species who claimed that they did but its all up in the air whether its true or not in my opinion.
No,ive never encountered the beings of light,only the species i spoke of earlier in recap:Subterraneans,Greys,Nordics,Reptilians,the lightning species,the heat wave species,this newest strange species,and one species i forgot about which were dots of light on the ceiling in S. Carolina for about 30 minutes before we went to bed. There was nothing reflecting light,there was no external light source,merely dots of light moving about on our ceiling,no insects,nothing.
The Nephilim in my opinion,sound possibly like the Nordics who stand 7-9' tall,are human in appearance and are probably closest to Angelic beings you will find in an ET species.
Anyway, its 1am,i must get up in 5hrs so must get to bed,i'll chk on post tomorrow morn and night and will post more info after i do some more research. This board is getting interesting i finally believe we might be going somewhere lol. Take care all,and have a great day.

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I believe that the alien's who visit Earth live in a solar system not so far away (mayby even from our own solar system). The reason is that every description I have heared of an alien is of two eyes, two arms and two legs, just like us. The probability of these similarities happenning on two distant worlds is almost completely impossible, I refuse to believe that it is some huge coincidence. I believe life was transferred here by a meterorite or some other intergalactic projectile.

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I have a very deep faith in the lord, and I truly doubt that all aliens are evil, although some might be. It seems to me that if you look at the reports of abuductions that aliens have a scientific way of doing things and it seems that they are studying humans rather than attempting to harm us. They have no emotions during an abductions so they seem to be scientist.

Very good point bystander!
I see Lori's point and concern- but..well
I just do not agree with the alien/demon
theory yet.
Why would satan have demons to pose as
bad demons and then have others to pose as
good ones? I do not recall reading in the
Bible that satan ever posed as a good person.
If he did.. I would think it would be obvious. A teller does not study counterfit money to know it when it comes in. So if
someone is already "saved"..wouldn't they know?
I agree that there is good and bad every where... I also believe that the good aliens
are here to help, teach, and prepare us for
things to come.
If God could speak through a mule..why not
aliens?

I agree that the lord might speak through aliens, after all God does work in mysterious ways, I'm saying that all evidence points to the idea that the aliens are scientist rather than messengers. I do believe that satan can take the disguise of something pleasing to the eye, or good and pure, after all he will do anything to take your soul...

I think that aliens may be nephilum, or angelic hybrids, and that the beings of light are angels. The Bible says to test spirits; ask if they worship Jesus and the Father. Satan is described in the Bible as an angel of light. The entire message of Revelations is one of deception. Flash, how is one deceived? Certainly not by being tempted by ugly or bad things. It may not be as obvious as you think. Your salvation is sealed by faith in Jesus and repentance, and nothing can take that away. Not even an alien, and not even Satan himself.

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The Communist,

Suppose life is transported to a planet by a meteorite, the conditions are in the range that allow expansion of the bacteria, and viola--life. Where does the energy come from to sustain this life? A sun. Does this star have to be just like ours? It wouldn't have to be at all. The environment of the planet and the competition among species is what dictates evolution, and there's no reason to believe that what has happened on Earth to create bifocal vision, the homoniod form, etc. would be drastically different from elsewhere in the universe.

What does life do, it spreads throughout the biosphere in all directions eventually filling every possible gap, testing all possibilities along the way. What is superior
improves... yadda yadda yadda. This is quite simple, it shouldn't be hard to see
that we can expect the laws that create *high* intelligence to be constant, much in the same way we have no reason to think that physics are different in other parts of the universe.

Bystander & Lori,
Alright... yes, I know that Satan can
take on many faces including an angel of
light. Doesn't the Bible say something
to the effect that we sheep will KNOW the
shepherd voice???? Yes yes..test the
spirits you are right... but I still think
we are not that dumb not to know.
I also believe not to embrace knowledge
given by aliens ..when you know it's a
good thing- would be that persons loss.
Lori, if you are speaking of the beings of
light in the manner of aliens of light..
your theory is blown out of the water.
Remember? If not I'll e-mail you on that.
Lori, all I ask is this simple question.
Why wouldn't it be possible that aliens are
just that? I know your theory..but have you
ever thought about it?

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