many people think that civilization as we know it will change in or around this time frame, I know only time will tell, but I am wondering what everyone thinks of this.

Only time will tell first lets get through Jan 1 2000 not holding my breath then the date ive been told by the alien species of july 26 2000 if all is well after that i'll be happy

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faerieshaman,

If all is well after July 26, 2000 -- what will you think of your "alien communications" <u>then</u>?

everybody,

and all the fans of doomsday prophecies and cross-culture cosmic correlations and alien conspiracies -- if nothing happens at or around 2013, and it's the year 2030 or something, and assuming you are still alive -- what will you believe <u>then</u>?

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[This message has been edited by Boris (edited October 03, 1999).]

Well Boris its a fact that all is deceptive so i take all im told with a grain of salt. If it happens it happens regardless i dont stop living because of what im told. I simply don't worry about it

I have heard about a lot of dates from early 80's to 1999, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2008, 21December 2012 ( according to the Maya's)

I have it in the back of my head, but it's nothing that i am losing sleep over.

If it happens, it happens. I will be prepared in my own way. If Jesus comes, i'll be sitting here waiting for him over a glass of whiskey.

A nuclear bomb - i'll be sitting where it hits with the same bottle enjoying the last second..

I am not running for the hills to get settled in a cave somewhere waiting..

ive heard a lot of dates too. nostradamous had a prediction for last july,25th 1999,"fire will come from the sky" or something like that.i was interested,but still paid my bills and all that.i actually thought if there was going to be anything it would be in india or pakistan because of their nuke abilities and bickering at that time. im not too freaked about y2k,i think that date is too easy, and everyone apperantly freaks at the turn of ceturies.2013 im interested in because of the mayas and sumerians,but besides that,im not thinking about dates.just like h-kon,ill be sitting there with whiskey,only ill be in my corvette with a hot chick,and maybe some guns...actually,might as well have a flash light...and some extra food,and........nik

Everyone,
I'm not sure about any dates what I
am sure about is the world cannot go on much longer. Man unfortunately ( or if your an alien it may be a blessing) will
destroy themselves its only a matter of time. Our problems advance like technology, exponentialy. I feel strongly that the end is very near.


Alien

Alien - What do you think is going to happen, and when?

I have the same feeling, but being that I am only one lousy person, there isn't much i can do now is there. The prophecies and all that are talking about changes so large that there is nothing any human, single or collective can do about it. All we can do is wait..

That is if any of it is going to happen while i live...

Another bottle of Whiskey for me please...

H-kon,
I think maybe it will be a large meteor
that will strike earth and it may be what the Mayas had in mind around 2012.Scientists say it will happen its just a matter of when and I wouldn't be suprised if the Maya's are right they did not have their head in the sand like many today.Come 2012 I will be having shots of whiskey myself.For now it stays in the back of my mind as it does for you and a lot of other people.

Alien

Will you guys cheer up?!! :)

I've been working on my tan and pumping iron getting ready for summer. That's as technical as I'll get on this planet.

Dave.http://www.exosci.com/ubb/icons/icon6.gif

It's not that I am depressed because of it. I do believe everything happens for a purpose, and maybe it's time something happened that woke up all up in time.

A meteor. Hmm. quite possible. I do know that something is coming our way pretty soon, but i do not know what it is, or when it happens.

Time will tell, but until it happens. I will be doing what i always do, screwing around with computers, and try to find my place in it all.

Dave.. That did sound tempting.. too bad its too $@*&( hot here in Vegas :D

Nik. Nostradamus didn't set a specific date for it really here is the original quatrain called X-72 first in French, then the translated version...


Century X-72

L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois,
Du ciel viendra vn grand Roy d'effrayeur:
Resusciter le grand Roy d'Angolmois,
Auant apres Mars regner par bon-heur.

The year 1999 seven month,,
From the sky will come a great King of terror:
To bring back to life the great King of Angolmois,
Before after Mars to reign by good luck

You are quoting from the translation of the quatrain, not from the original quatrain which almost every expert find different than the other ;)

In other words. Nostradamus is very cryptic, and there are no one who knows what he means before it happens ;)

thanx for the correction/original prediction.thats interseting and very true. many people have different ways of interpreting nostradamous and others.theres probably just as many perceptions as there are different peoples characters/personalities.

Well, let's see...last night while watching good ol' Tom on the evening news, I was making a mental list of the recent news current events topics. We've had floods, famine, pestilence, plagues, earthquakes, wars and rumors, and heat (global warming), and hurricanes. If these types of events increase in frequency and intensity, then according to revelations, we should be pretty close, right? Oh yea, and the spirit of the antichrist is at an all time high. Now there's one that Boris can't deny, he's contributing to it for crying out loud!

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Lori,



...floods, famine, pestilence, plagues, earthquakes, wars and rumors, and heat (global warming), and hurricanes...


And how many of these things happend in <u>your</u> neighbourhood? Would you even know of them if it wasn't for global news services and instant communications? Now, backtrack by a couple of centuries of technological advancements -- did less ugly stuff happen back then, or did they just not know about it? Besides, floods, hurricanes and earthquakes happen constantly, and have always been happening. And, there has been no increase in geological activity. And talk about plagues -- remember the Black Death, or the measles epidemics, or the smallpox bacillus that wiped out American Indians?

Climate change is a result of human activity (and possibly certain global weather cycles we do not yet fully recognize) -- not some divine workings. And with the accelerating adoption of green energy, coupled with the prediction that fossil fuels will be depleted in a few decades -- the global warming phenomenon is about to reach a peak, after which the only way for the greenhouse gasses and atmospheric temperatures to go is down.

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[This message has been edited by Boris (edited October 05, 1999).]

Boris,

Some of them happen in my neighborhood. When I look, I have no trouble seeing the line that people around me cross everyday, and the consequences of it. Some of those things haven't happened in my back yard though. But as you pointed out, do they really have to? Increasing frequency and intensity. Ok, so now we have the instruments to measure, we shall see.

I also did not say that these things are divine work. Congratulations, you just may have described some of the prophecy in Revelations in scientific terms. The how, but as always, not the why. Man has chosen his destiny. THAT my friends is free will.



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BOYCOTT TROJAN HE's A FREAK AND HE'LL NEVER NEED A TROJAN ONLY A TAMPAX

dude trojan, u and lori should use your own
topic and talk about jesus. cause we dontwanna hear from either of u, u just waste space.

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dexter

Dexter,

And you don't consider your last post a waste of space????? You might as well be spankin' the monkey for all it's worth.

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God loves you and so do I!

If youve gotten down here, noogies to you!

Did anyone here about the Asteroid all the media would hit in 2013, or something like that?

It's gonna hit!!

FEMA and the good ol' U.S gov't has pushed it out of view. By ignoring it, it won't go away!

I don't care, though, I'll do something, there's still time. I can say that, the gov't can't! They have to start preparing NOW!

so where did you get your info? and what do YOU plan on doing about it? enlighten us

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Eric Cooper

Hmm.. I have heard about that myself.. pretty disturbing. It's supposed to hit Nevada, USA..

That's all i have heard though..

Got anymore information over there?

(should i bring the popcorn now?)

A string of asteroids supposedly hit the planet Jupiter a couple of years ago at speeds of over 140,000 miles per hour. It is said that the black cloud that was created could have dwarfed the planet Earth.

It's a matter of "when", not "will it".

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I know alot of people have dates for our ending. Realy, if we dont end all at once at a given time, we will end individually and successively over a long period as we always have done. It does'nt make any difference. One characturistic of the human species is that we die. All the time. If we're having bets about it though, I'd say the year may be 2011. Something very significant that may change or end our way of existance or the fact that we existed at all.

I've got the best idea, why don't we all have a world wide lottery where you have to guess the exact day the world will end. WOW I've got $$$ signs in my eyes.

I've got a tip. EIther live everyday as if its going to be your last or live life as if everydays your first. I do it and I find I get way more enjoyment out of life, cause everything seems so cool no matter what it is. You will also find yourself feeling way closer to people, more than what you would normally feel.

Also, if someone is in need help them. It has nothing to do with the end of the world, but if people do these things life might be just a little bit better. :)

Kudos, Deadwood!

Screw the end of the world! If it's going to happen, it's going to happen. Lori will pray and go to heaven to be with her god. Boris will probably argue against her admission past the Pearly Gates just for the sake of arguing. 666 will stand at the edge of oblivion with his middle finger held high. Faerieshaman will become one with the energy of the universe. I don't know what you plan to do if the end hits us like most seem to believe, but I will probably write a full-length novel about why I don't think it will affect me, then go out to join 666 with a six-pack of New Castle and a ghetto box blasting out Prince's "Let's Go Crazy".

well since you ask, I'll be praying to like Lori. I'm a christian as well. I'd die before getting any mark on my right hand or forehead, plus I'm not really in the mood of getting a permanent tattoo anyway.

Plus nothing against muslims, but a muslim guy said that his god is going to come down and deceive all the people of this world, and said it in a real happy tune. Lori would know this but it kind of sounds like whats in the "Revelations"

And I heard a Christian guy dreamt up the WWII holocaust, to cleanse the earth from all the ungodly scum. I'm not the one to defend religion in general, but I can't stand such slander attacks.

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It didn't sound slanderous to me. Just somebody relating something that they experienced. It's not like Deadwood said 'all Muslims are deceptive'.

Boris

I said I have absolutely nothing against muslims. Some of my friends are muslims. All I was saying was that what that guy said sounds like what will happen in the 'revelations' with humanity being deceived. But of course Christianity will triumph...

Deadwood,

I have heard the phrase, "sounds like what is in the revelations", so many times that it sounds like a bunch of B.S. to me. If you repeat a lie (the Bible)over and over again, does it become true?

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The Belief that there is only one truth and that oneself is in possession of it
seems to me the depest root of all evil that is in the world
-Max Born

Okay, so enough about Christianity for a moment. There have been in my opinon too much talk about it(Christianity) in this forum alltogether. So here is another twist.

Those of you who are not christians, what have you learned from the other religions or traditions which state our future? Or how about prophets like Edgar Cayce, Michel de Notredame and others.

What about the Mayan's, The Aztec's The Nordics, Hindu, Buddhism, American Indians, Wiccan and all the other traditions and religions. Have any of you read anything of what they say? There are many more things we have to piece together to better understand what's coming, or what's not coming. Christianity is only one part of it.(if anyone tells me otherwise, then you are a fool)

The Mayan's( or the Aztec's) i think were those who had the Armageddon view in which they stated that the world would come to an end December 21 2013. Nostradamus said the year 3797 would be the last one ( IF the translations are correct)
The Hopi Indians do not give a specific date, but they say it's very near now where the world would undergo a total transformation and devastation. ( Interview with a Hopi Elder on ArtBell)

Would anyone be interested helping me in trying to figure out the rest of the pieces of the puzzle, or shall we continue to debate Christianity in every forum and almost every thread here?

Here's my take on it:

The Mayans believed the world would end on the date you identify. They also believed that if you danced around in big bright feathers you'd have a good farming year.

The American Indians do not seem to have a sense of time in their folklore, so "soon" could mean anytime from here to eternity. They could not even predict the return of White Buffalo Woman, although somebody predicted that if they wore special shirts and danced themselves to exhaustion that they'd be bullet-proof. (I guess he forgot to mention the need for kevlar.)

The Norse believed in Ragnarok, but never put a time to it. Pretty clever of them, since I'm SURE the world's going to die SOMEDAY.

The writings of Nostradamus are so vague that it's easy to look at them and see something in them in hindsight. It's like the Rorsarch Inkblot Test. As far as where he got the images from, remember that there was no such thing as the DEA back then. Many visions of angels and demons can be explained with bad bread (which produces chemicals found in LSD).

Edgar Cayce is one of my father's favorites. I admit his 'remote viewing' for bodily illnesses sounds pretty amazing, but that doesn't make him a prophet. Although I can't name specific instances, I believe that most of his predictions were off the mark.

Back in the 1800s the Millerites named the exact day and time of the end of the world. They got together and prayed while some of them committed suicide. The day and time came and went without the world ending. They picked another day and the same thing happened. Eventually, the Millerites dissolved into the Seventh-Day Adventists and the Jehovah's Witnesses, both of which still predict the end of the world, but never name a date.

Many psychics claim that they cannot see past the year 2000. A hundred years before, many psychics claimed they could not see beyond the year 1900. A hundred years before that it was 1800, then 1700, then 1600 and so on. They were wrong then, why would they be right this time?

One thousand years ago society prepared for the second coming. It was the Apocalypse (at least as far as the Christian world was concerned). The Millenium Mark came and went without the souls of the good Christians going up to Heaven while the pagans, Muslims, heathens, and Buddhists had their souls cast down into Hell. The "prophet" who started THIS fiasco second guessed himself and his idea of "1000 years after Christ" and amended it to read "1000 years after Christ's physical death". What was that? 1033? 1036? I know he was in his 30s when they tacked him up. Well, the 1030s also came and went without apocalyptic incident.

In the Orient, the traditional calendar is different from our Western calendar. The 21st century has already come and gone for them. I think they're in the 4600s or something. Are we to assume that Armageddon will pass the Orient by?

In the history of the planet, no doomsday prediction has come true. Society may change, but even the Industrial Revolution was a slow, gradual process.

This rock is only 4 billion years old. That's infantile on the galactic scale. What is it about the future that scares people? Every time you go to sleep you face an uncertain future. Every time you put your car on the road you're facing an uncertain future. Every moment of your life you face an uncertain future. Why should the 21st Century be any scarier?

Based on the failures and fiascoes of prophets past, there will be no Armageddon. It's been cancelled. Instead we'll have to make do with reruns of Same Sh**, Different Day.