# 4th dimension is extension of 3rd dimension. A world within worlds

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AFAIK, all indications suggest that the universe started as a formless chaos, a "permittive conditions", which mathematically self-ordered into various mathematical patterns from which orderly complexity emerged over time.

Patterns within patterns, within patterns, within patterns, within patterns = irreducible complexity.
Then the indications lack depth . The indications then are wrong .
Are you saying that current mainstream science of an inflating universe is wrong?
Your not going deep enough Write4U . Your just understanding the patterns . NOT understanding the underlying reasons why the patterns exist in the first place .
Ironic, I propose mathematical patterns as fundamental to spacetime and you accuse me of not understanding patterns, while advocating for irreducible complex patterns as fundamental to origins? This new science may explain better.

Make way for mathematical matter
PHYSICS 5 January 2011. By Michael Brooks

Editorial: “The deep value of mathematics”
WE ALREADY have solid, liquid, gas, plasma and Bose-Einstein condensate. Now it seems we may be on the verge of discovering a whole host of new forms of matter – all based on mathematics.
Nils Baas, a mathematician at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology in Trondheim, has unearthed a plethora of possibilities for the way the components of matter can link together.
He made the discoveries while researching the field of topology – the study of the properties that objects share because of their shape.
It is particularly concerned with the various shapes that can be formed while squashing and bending an object. A ring doughnut and a teacup share the same topology, for example: it is possible to squish the doughnut into a teacup shape without doing away with the hole, as it becomes the hole in the handle.
Baas was studying “Brunnian rings” – collections of rings that are linked together but can all be separated if only one ring is cut. Borromean rings are the most famous example (see illustration).

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20927942-300-make-way-for-mathematical-matter/#ixzz6VJSMsWcH

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Your not going deep enough Write4U . Your just understanding the patterns . NOT understanding the underlying reasons why the patterns exist in the first place .

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I am starting with simple undefined non-physical dynamical values at Planck scale.
This new science may explain better.
Make way for mathematical matter
PHYSICS 5 January 2011. By Michael Brooks

Editorial: “The deep value of mathematics”

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20927942-300-make-way-for-mathematical-matter/#ixzz6VJSMsWcH

Write4U this not about value of mathematics , it is everywhere . It helps to understand many things . But it never creates matter in and of its self . There is always a reference to something physical already existing in your responses .

There is nothing in this thinking that is not fundamentally based on the physical .

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All based on matter , physical things . Write4U
No, keyword here is not "physical", but "mathematical".

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All based on matter , physical things . Write4U

No, keyword here is not "physical", but "mathematical".

To you . But in truth ; the keyword that you ignore is " the Physical " .

To you . But in truth ; the keyword that you ignore is " the Physical " .
No, I am not.

Then what are you driving at ?
The universe is a hierarchy of Orders, "worlds within worlds". The Orders range from the very subtle (Planck scale) to gross (physical) expression in observable (measurable) pattern densities.
David Bohm called it the "Enfolded" and "Unfolded" orders.

These Ordering "guiding equations" are by definition mathematical in nature.
Hence; the universe is mathematical in "essence".

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Then what are you driving at ?

The universe is a hierarchy of Orders, "worlds within worlds". The Orders range from the very subtle (Planck scale) to gross (physical) expression in observable (measurable) pattern densities.
David Bohm called it the "Enfolded" and "Unfolded" orders.

These Ordering "guiding equations" are by definition mathematical in nature.
Hence; the universe is mathematical in "essence".

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Based on the Nature of the objects themselves and the interactions of different objects amongst themselves .

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Yet equations are not necessary for the ordering to occur .

You mean the reason I cannot wave my arms and do a Superman fly around the world or lift up a 2 ton mass with my little pinky is because MATHEMATICS won't let me?

How did you determine a "2 ton mass", a mathematical value?

If you tried to lift it and could not do it, would that prove anything except that you are not strong enough and would need to be able to lift ( .......mathematical equation........) to know whether you or anyone else could ever lift the object in the "experiential" physical world.

Note; Each of the 4 Universal Dimensions is a mathematical object with specific inherent mathematical ordering potentials. The Universe is a mathematical Geometric pattern.

Mathematical self-referential "values" and "algebraic" functions are a common denominator of both "space and time". Think about that.....

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Physically you can't . The measurement of a ton is meaningless . It is subjective .

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All three dimensions are a Holistic Whole . Length , breadth and depth are unseparable . Take any one away collapses the rest . Time is irrelevant to any object .

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Physically you can't . The measurement of a ton is meaningless . It is subjective .

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All three dimensions are a Holistic Whole . Length , breadth and depth are unseparable . Take any one away collapses the rest . Time is irrelevant to any object .

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Well prove me wrong .

Firstly you are in the pseudoscience section, secondly you know not what you are talking about.......but then again, that's probably the basis of the pseudoscience section and people ignorant of science like yourself.

The measurement of a ton is meaningless . It is subjective .

Well prove me wrong .
Pretty easy to do.

A ton is a weight used all over the world for transport of goods. If we all had our own ideas of what a ton is, world economy would be chaos. A ton is objective.

Firstly you are in the pseudoscience section, secondly you know not what you are talking about.......but then again, that's probably the basis of the pseudoscience section and people ignorant of science like yourself.

Babble .

The measurement of a ton is meaningless . It is subjective .

Well prove me wrong .​

Pretty easy to do.

A ton is a weight used all over the world for transport of goods. If we all had our own ideas of what a ton is, world economy would be chaos. A ton is objective.

Agreed

But the ton metric or imperial . Is subjective . Gravity , the basis of weight , changes constantly .

Note; Each of the 4 Universal Dimensions is a mathematical object with specific inherent mathematical ordering potentials. The Universe is a mathematical Geometric pattern.

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All three dimensions are a Holistic Whole . Length , breadth and depth are unseparable . Take any one away collapses the rest . Physically . Time is irrelevant to any object .

In Mathematics only , does taking away any of the three fundamental dimensional properties of the physical , does anything still exist .

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tut tut, take it easy river! I understand you cannot take criticism of your nonsense, but nonsense it remains.
Let me state the two facts again...[1] this is in pseudoscience so by definition is word salad....[2]You know not what you are talking about and are generally ignorant of science, evident by most of your posts/threads that have been closed, debunked or otherwise shown to be word salad...like the current nonsense of yours.

All forms of energy and matter have existed for infinity , from Galactic Cores to Quasars and to extreme cold , absolute zero . The Universe recycles .
Any reference for that river? Or do you just want us to take your word for it, even though in pseudoscience?

tut tut, take it easy river! I understand you cannot take criticism of your nonsense, but nonsense it remains.
Let me state the two facts again...[1] this is in pseudoscience so by definition is word salad....[2]You know not what you are talking about and are generally ignorant of science, evident by most of your posts/threads that have been closed, debunked or otherwise shown to be word salad...like the current nonsense of yours.

Prove it .

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All forms of energy and matter have existed for infinity , from Galactic Cores to Quasars and to extreme cold , absolute zero . The Universe recycles .

Any reference for that river? Or do you just want us to take your word for it, even though in pseudoscience?

Just think it through .

Both extremes physically exist .