Am I an Atheist or a Theist?

Is Dennis Tate an Atheist or a Theist?

  • Theist

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  • Atheist

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  • Hebraic Roots Universalist Christian Mystic in my opinion????

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  • Dennis Tate is one of the most naive people on this third rock!

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Dennis Tate

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An extremely nice and diplomatic moderator on a Richard Dawkins support forum several years ago told me that my idea of God in a sense evolving or learning over infinite time in the past was a legitimate branch of Atheism.

Was this nice and diplomatic forum administrator correct...... according to your understanding of the word "Atheist?"

Most Christian Theologians could testify that my ideas on the distant past are certainly no part of "Orthodox Christianity."

I got into this and related topics so often that I wrote up a blog to save myself some time in explaining virtually the same material over and over and over again. You can view my blog by clicking on my profile page under the link "Information" or
CarbonBias
.blogspot
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This may sound like a rather strange idea to you........
but I really liked how Richard Dawkins Ph. D. dealt with the questions from Mr. Ben Stein in this interview.

To a degree.... I would say that an Agnostic or Atheist who takes the idea of extraterrestrial life seriously........
has some major intellectual or philosophical advantages over a Theist..... who
dogmatically rules out the existence of life on any other planet in the universe.

On the other hand.... I do believe that Richard Dawkins Ph. D. could write another book related to
evidence for Intelligence beginning in fundamental or nearly fundamental energy.......
in higher invisible dimensions of space and time as postulated in String Theory.......
and I believe he would sell more copies of that proposed book than any of his other books.......

(I do have "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins Ph .D., but I haven't gotten into it yet. I picked it up at a used book store a few weeks ago).



Ben Stein vs. Richard Dawkins Interview
 
Do you believe in God? (or the idea that God may exist?) If so, you’re not an atheist. You could be agnostic in your views but an atheist simply doesn’t believe in the existence of God. (definition in its broadest sense is: absence of belief in a deity or deities)

The opposite of atheism isn’t necessarily “religion,”though. You may not accept any one religion as truth, but believe in God. I was an atheist for a few years - it was really more of an indifference towards even the concept of God/spirituality. But, I’m now a believer and accept/follow Jesus’ teachings.

In other words, you need to search your own mind for what you believe. I’m not sure anyone here (not knowing you, really) can do that for you.
 
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Do you believe in God? (or the idea that God may exist?) If so, you’re not an atheist. You could be agnostic in your views but an atheist simply doesn’t believe in the existence of God. (definition in its broadest sense is: absence of belief in a deity or deities)
Just to be picky: I am an agnostic atheist, I lack belief that a deity exists. But I am entirely comfortable with the idea that God may exist. It is my agnosticism that makes me consider it a non-zero possibility. So if someone believes that God may exist, they may well be an atheist, especially if the "may" is an indication that they don't hold the belief that God does exist.
Since you have - numerous times - indicated a belief in "god" then you are, by definition a theist.
I'd also be careful about this blanket response, in that it does depend somewhat on one's view of "God". If one simply uses it to describe nature, or the universe, with no more baggage attached to the word than that, then I'd say they are atheistic (but it does beg the question of why they use the term "god" when other words, with less assumed baggage, exist).
 
Do you believe in God? (or the idea that God may exist?) If so, you’re not an atheist. You could be agnostic in your views but an atheist simply doesn’t believe in the existence of God. (definition in its broadest sense is: absence of belief in a deity or deities)

The opposite of atheism isn’t necessarily “religion,”though. You may not accept any one religion as truth, but believe in God. I was an atheist for a few years - it was really more of an indifference towards even the concept of God/spirituality. But, I’m now a believer and accept/follow Jesus’ teachings.

In other words, you need to search your own mind for what you believe. I’m not sure anyone here (not knowing you, really) can do that for you.

I do believe in a SuperIntelligence so great that that Intelligence could resurrect all humans who were alive as of March 27, 1939..... without them even knowing that they have just been recreated / resurrected..... and then a new time line could be spun off in which The Holocaust was either greatly decreased in intensity..... or perhaps even stopped...... perhaps by taking technology from the year 2100 back into that newly created version of 1939?

I do believe that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus of Christian thought fulfilled the role of Messiah the Passover Lamb.
 
Since you have - numerous times - indicated a belief in "god" then you are, by definition a theist.

That is what I would tend to think as well......
I have wondered if that Moderator from that forum was perhaps being somewhat too diplomatic.... perhaps somewhat too nice and inclusive?????
 

My defining myself as a Theist......
or even as a Christian.....
would not stop a high percentage of Orthodox Christian Theologians from thinking that I am some variation of a "heretic" and thus..... non-Christian... by their definition of the terms.

Many Theologians define "God" as being incapable of "evolving" or "learning" in terms of any definition of those terms that they may accept?
 
I got into this and related topics so often that I wrote up a blog to save myself some time in explaining virtually the same material over and over and over again.

so you dont get out much & mix with different types of cultures
(or you present yourself as the same religious fence sitter as all social contact)

personal choice ?
 
I do believe in a SuperIntelligence so great that that Intelligence could resurrect all humans who were alive as of March 27, 1939.....
I'm curious. What's so special about March 27, 1939?

Couldn't your SuperIntelligence resurrect all humans from any time at all?
... without them even knowing that they have just been recreated / resurrected..... and then a new time line could be spun off in which The Holocaust was either greatly decreased in intensity..... or perhaps even stopped...... perhaps by taking technology from the year 2100 back into that newly created version of 1939?
Do you think that the SuperIntelligence has already done that? Or will do so in the future? Or just that it could do it, if it chose?

And why do you think this?
I do believe that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus of Christian thought fulfilled the role of Messiah the Passover Lamb.
Why?
 
I'm curious. What's so special about March 27, 1939?

Couldn't your SuperIntelligence resurrect all humans from any time at all?

Do you think that the SuperIntelligence has already done that? Or will do so in the future? Or just that it could do it, if it chose?

And why do you think this?

Why?


Good questions.

A pastor Rick Joyner had an unusual series of dreams back in 1994 and 1995 that remind me in many ways of
the Life Review of NDE accounts.

Yes.... he made statements that indicate that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in the form that He is in now could indeed resurrect all humans from any and
all time periods..... any time at all....... but I do believe that there is some sort of logic in the how's and the when's in which these fulfillments of
Ezekiel chapter thirty seven, Revelation chapter twenty and Romans nine, ten and eleven actually take place.

I am of the believe that we are likely living in an example of Applied Multiverse Theory that in many ways is shockingly better than some other
likely time lines that have been indicated in what was shown to other near death experiencers.


The Power of His Word

“You seek to know and walk in My power so that you can heal the sick and perform miracles, but you have not even begun to comprehend the power of My word. To resurrect all the dead who have ever lived on earth will not even cause Me to strain. I uphold all things by the power of My word. The creation exists because of My word, and it is held together by My word.

“Before the end, I will reveal My power on earth. Even so, the greatest power that I have ever revealed on the earth, or ever will, is still a very small demonstration of My power I do not reveal My power to cause men to believe in My power, but to cause men to believe in My love.

“If I had wanted to save the world with My power when I walked the earth, I could have moved mountains by pointing a finger Then all men would have bowed to Me, but not because they loved Me or loved the truth, but because they feared My power I do not want men to obey Me because they fear My power, but because they love Me and love the truth.

“If you do not know My love, then My power will corrupt you. I do not give you love so you can know My power, but I give you power so that you can know My love. The goal of your life must be love, not power Then I will give you power with which to love people. I will give you the power to heal the sick because you love them, and I love them, and I do not want them sick." (Pastor Rick Joyner, The Final Quest and The Call)


I chose 1939 because it is just before the events of The Holocaust that near death experiencer Howard Storm was shown quite about when viewed from the perspective of the higher invisible dimensions.

"I asked how God could let the Holocaust of World War II happen. We were transported to a railway station as a long train of freight cars was being unloaded of its human cargo. The guards were screaming and beating the people into submission. The people were Jewish men, women, and children. Exhausted from hunger and thirst, they were totally disoriented from the ordeal of being rounded up and sent on a long journey to an unknown destination. They believed that they were going to work camps, and that their submission to the brutality of the guards was the only way to survive.

We went to the area where the selection process was taking place and heard the guards talking about "the Angel Maker." We went to the place the guards were referring to as "the Angel Maker," which was a series of ovens. I saw piles of naked corpses being loaded into the ovens, and I began to cry. Jesus said to me, "These are the people God loves." Then he said, "Look up." Rising out of the smoke of the chimneys, I saw hundreds of people being met by thousands of angels taking them up into the sky. There was great joy in the faces of the people, and there appeared to be no trace of a memory of the horrendous suffering they had just endured. How ironic that the guards sarcastically called the ovens "the Angel Maker."

I asked how God could allow this to happen. They told me that this was not God's will. This was an abomination to God. God wants this never to happen again. This was the sacrifice of an innocent people to whom God had given the law to be an example, a light, to the rest of the world. This Holocaust was breaking God's heart. The anguish that Jesus was suffering at the slaughter of his people was too much for me to bear and I begged that we leave this place. I will never forget this: his anguish at this horror and what it represents. This was one of the low points in human history."

I asked, Why does God let things like this happen? They told me that God was very unhappy with the course of human history and was going to intervene to change the world. God had watched us sink to depths of depravity and cruelty at the very time that he was giving us the instruments to make the world a godlier world. God had intervened in the world many times before, but this time God was going to change the course of human events." (Howard Storm, My Descent Into Death, page 42,43)

I chose March 27 because it is Passover in 2021.....
and it is interesting that the NDE of Rabbi Alon Anava took place on Passover 2001. I listened to his account a few days ago.....
because what he experienced reminds me of Matthew chapter five... and his conclusions after his NDE remind me of
Matthew chapters five, six and seven, The Sermon on the Mount, (but Rabbi Alon Anava did NOT meet Jesus and is Orthodox Jewish)!


Back during the 1990's I read the NDE account of Dannion Brinkley, (who incidentally terms himself an Atheist in spite of his believing firmly in
intelligence continuing on in the higher energetic but invisible dimensions). Dannion Brinkley was shown a working out of "the Mark of the Beast"
and basically events from around the year 2000 that are different than what you and I lived through.......
which to my thinking implies our Creator as a Scientist composed of fundamental energy who is capable of creating a new time line that is
a massive improvement over previous time lines???????

But I admit it..... I am biased!

Dannion Brinkley:
BOX 12: Technology & Virus

The 11th box was gone & I was into the 12th box. Its visions addressed an important event in the distant future, the decade of the 90's (remember, this was 1975), when many of the great changes would take place. In this box, I watched as a biological engineer from the Middle East found a way to alter DNA & create a biological virus that would be used in the manufacture of computer chips. This discovery allowed for huge strides in science & technology. Japan, China, & other countries of the Pacific Rim experienced boom times as a result of this discovery & became powers of incredible magnitude. Computer chips produced from this process found their way into virtually every form of technology, from cars & airplanes to vacuum cleaners & blenders.

Before the turn of the century, this man was among the richest in the world, so rich that he had a stranglehold on the world economy. Still the world welcomed him, since the computer chips he had designed somehow put the world on an even keel. Gradually, he succumbed to his own power. He began to think of himself as a deity & insisted on greater control of the world. With that extra control, he began to rule the world.

His method of rule was unique. Everyone in the world was mandated by law to have one of his computer chips inserted underneath his or her skin. This chip contained all of an individual's personal information. If a government agency wanted to know something, all it had to do was scan your chip with a special device. By doing so, it could discover everything about you, from where you worked & lived to your medical records & even what kind of illnesses you might get in the future.

There was an even more sinister side to this chip. A person's lifetime could be limited by programming this chip to dissolve & kill him with the viral substance it was made from. Lifetimes were controlled like this to avoid the cost that growing old places on the government. It was also used as a means of eliminating people with chronic illnesses that put a drain on the medical system. People who refused to have chips implanted in their bodies roamed as outcasts. They could not be employed & were denied government services." (Dannion Brinkley, Saved By The Light, chapter 5)

If you scroll down to the Boxes of Knowledge you can read all of the predictions that Dannion was shown......
https://www.alamongordo.com/Prophecies_of_Dannion_Brinkley.html
 
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So..... I believe that because Dannion Brinkley invested twenty five years of going all over America and the world telling people a rather simple message.....
he assisted to inspire people to have a higher level of hope... and we made better decisions.... and a significantly better time line seems to have been
put into motion as was explained quite well in this article:



https://www.near-death.com/science/research/future.html#a03
3. The future is not fixed and can change
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During Karen Schaeffer's NDE, she was shown her children's future as it would exist if she decided to remain in the light. Because she decided to return, the future she was shown did not happen. This suggests that the future is always changing from moment to moment based upon our current actions and decisions. This principle supports quantum mechanic principles.



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One of Margot Grey's NDE research subjects stated:

"During my experience ... I was also shown events that are likely to happen in the near future, but was made to understand that nothing is absolutely fixed and that everything depends on how we choose to use our own free will, that even those events that are already predestined can be changed or modified by a change in our own way of relating to them." (Grey, 1985, p. 123)

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NDE experiencer Howard Storm was given information on how the future is not fixed:

"We have free will. If we change the way we are, then we can change the future which they showed me. They showed me a view of the future, at the time of my experience, based upon how we in the United States were behaving at that time. It was a future in which a massive worldwide depression would occur. If we were to change our behavior, however, then the future would be different." (Howard Storm)

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Howard Storm was also told how a single person can change the world:

"All it takes to make a change was one person. One person, trying, and then because of that, another person changing for the better. They said that the only way to change the world was to begin with one person. One will become two, which will become three, and so on. That's the only way to affect a major change" (Howard Storm)


I am of the belief that there is off the scale power in our freedom of choice.......
and when we die and see how our choices may have produced vastly better time lines.....
then we will better understand the concepts of both power and responsibility.....
that is being taught to us by a Brilliant Educator who I believe... is composed of fundamental energy.....
and has gotten better and better and better at creation.....
and setting in motion new time lines!
 
In a paragraph....
this is one of the major goals of multiple time lines.....
of Applied Multiverse Theory...... applied by a Inventor of multiple dimensions of space and time
that can be compared with vehicles......
designed to take spirits / souls from point A to point B to point C and on and on and on.

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/gay/christian-andreason.html#a04h
h. Who goes to heaven?
In the end ... believe it or not (sigh of relief), everyone gets to come home! Heaven is a place of ultimate LOVE. When we have learned how to become individuals that base our entire existence and consciousness around manifesting LOVE, we then become capable of entering the domain of the higher Realms of Heaven. If we do not practice Love, we can only go so far and we will be made to incarnate somewhere out there in God's super Universe again and again (unlimited times) until we learn." (Christian Andreason)

Yes... Helen Wambach Ph. D. wrote three books that I read two of during the 1990....
but her third book along with Dr. Chet Snow implies the possibility of multiple time lines.......
that I believe can be learned from and avoided.


In our time line some of the possible disasters that may have occurred in another time line........that may have began in 1998 or 2012 in that possible time line ... have been at the minimum delayed in our time line??????

https://www.baproducts.com/chetmap.htm


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Mass Dreams of the Future Hardcover – Oct. 1 1989
by Chet B. Snow Helen Wambach (Author)
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Here is a summary of Helen Wambach Ph. D's first two books. The fact that her volunteers were over sixty percent women but the number of past lives as women over the past four millennia was fifty percent.... rather impressed me:

http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html
 
What Howard Storm was shown about the events behind the scenes during The Holocaust remind me of
what was shown to three time near death experiencer Dr. P. M. H. Atwater about what went on in invisible dimensions of space and time
in the aftermath of the terrorist attack of September 11, 2001.

The level at which the accounts of near death experiencers seem to correspond with each other has impressed me a lot.


http://pmhatwater.hypermart.net/resources/PDFs/911.pdf
 
so you dont get out much & mix with different types of cultures
(or you present yourself as the same religious fence sitter as all social contact)

personal choice ?

I am a Christian who believes rather firmly in reincarnation ..... and eventual Universal Salvation... so although I really do enjoy my wife's churches that she attends....
I don't expect to find a church that is on the same page as I am on on most topics.
 
My defining myself as a Theist......
or even as a Christian.....
would not stop a high percentage of Orthodox Christian Theologians from thinking that I am some variation of a "heretic" and thus..... non-Christian... by their definition of the terms.

Many Theologians define "God" as being incapable of "evolving" or "learning" in terms of any definition of those terms that they may accept?
I'm not really sure where you're coming from.
Are you saying because of your idea that God evolved, then some Christians would not call you a Theist?
Does it matter to you that you don't belong to a group? Must you belong to a group or even form your own group to believe like you?
What's compelling you to tack-on religion to these NDE things?
Maybe I'm misreading you.
 
I'm not really sure where you're coming from.
Are you saying because of your idea that God evolved, then some Christians would not call you a Theist?
Does it matter to you that you don't belong to a group? Must you belong to a group or even form your own group to believe like you?
What's compelling you to tack-on religion to these NDE things?
Maybe I'm misreading you.

Those are good questions.....
I do somewhat miss being part of a church since 1991 but... I really do enjoy fellowshipping with my wife's
Pentecostal friends.

I find that reading NDE accounts and updating my understanding of the Jewish and Christian scriptures in the light of what has been
revealed by NDE accounts that is in language that is very easy to understand, makes it fairly easy to fellowship with a wide range of people all across the philosophical spectrum.

Many near death experiencers do not "tack-on religion" to their out of the body experience.....
but some do.

For example near death experiencer Dr. Eben Alexander doesn't seem likely to go out seeking a church.....
but he sure is a firm believer that our consciousness continues on after we die.



Eben Alexander: A Neurosurgeon's Journey through the Afterlife

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