American CONTRACTOR beheaded today.....+3
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would you have preferred a bullet to the head? perhaps that is more in keeping with your sensibilities.
fear not. 200 innocent iraqis will die for berg. i believe that is the going "kill ratio".
perhaps your kind would excuse this murder if some women and boys are offered up for sodomy and rape?
where is that constant refrain i hear..."THIS IS WAR"
oh... daddy berg rules!
fear not. 200 innocent iraqis will die for berg. i believe that is the going "kill ratio".
perhaps your kind would excuse this murder if some women and boys are offered up for sodomy and rape?
where is that constant refrain i hear..."THIS IS WAR"
oh... daddy berg rules!
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savory said:
I brought this up a week ago.. and all I have to say is DUH in response to the article which confirms my guess:
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/05/13/1084289819984.html
Yes, I think that would be far more humane than a beheading. And not even a real beheading at that. If they wanted to behead the guy couldn't they use a guillotine or a sharp sword to lop it off with one blow. These fuckers sawed his head off.
And also, I haven't seen the footage, but from the description it sounds like he didn't know that he was about to die. Shouldn't they have informed him of the fact so that he might make peace with whatever he needed to? Let him write some last letters to his family or some such?
I bet you anything that guy that chopped his head off had a huge purple throbber while he did it.
Because they did tell him they were going to kill him, when they started cutting his head off. I think that people might vary on their choice of knowing or not knowing, but if told in advance, he could at least come to some type of terms with it. As it was, he had the amount of time that the knife touched his throat until his brain died to come to terms.
The pain of his death must have been intense. A quick death would be better.
The pain of his death must have been intense. A quick death would be better.
Undecided said:
Lose to whom?
The Iraqis have hardly dented the US military.
crazymikey said:
The harassment of those prisoners isn't even in the same league as this execution of an innocent.
crazymikey said:
I'll tell you what happened.
Somebody got his head cut off, and, in my opinion, somebody else ought to die for it.
Bells
Staff member
Probably as excruciating as having a couple of attack dogs attack you while you're hog tied or as bad as being sodomised with a chemical light (Link). Although I do admit, being killed in this matter would be excrutiating. But after having dogs set upon me or after being sodomised, I'd probably be wishing for death. All are disgusting practices.Red Devil said:
The bastard in question is an Al Qaeda suspect. The US beat and torture prisoners and detainees to death (of which according to the Red Cross, 70 to 90% may have been detained by mistake - Link). Both parties torture and kill their prisoners. And both sides think they are better than the other. The US hold their ideals to be better than others because they represent freedom, fairness and the good old American way (excuse me while I laugh hysterically at this concept). Al Qaeda hold their ideals up as being the opposite of the American way. These past few weeks, if not past couple of years, have shown that the American way has the ability to suck in a big way. Al Qaeda is much worse.
Lets face it, the US has made a big mistake in invading Iraq. They made an even bigger mistake in not getting Berg out of the country after he'd been arrested for doing god knows what. Why was he held for 13 days? How is it possible that after he'd been arrested he wasn't flown out of the country straight away, instead we find him in the hands of Al Qaeda having his head removed? The kid's father was right. The US forces are partly to blame for what happened to his son. Al Qaeda are using the abused prisoners excuse to kill now, as they have done with Berg. The US have backed themselves into a bad corner and frankly, I doubt if it will ever be able to get out again.
I just saw the video. Sick fucks!! I still say the guy that did it had a raging hardon when he did it. I also noticed that there was a cut in the video. They weren't doing a very good job of cutting his head off, then all of a sudden he was dead and they were almost done. Are there different versions out there? The one I saw was pretty low quality. I wonder how much time it actually took.
The thing is, he's not the first hostage/prisoner that's had his head cut off, just the first one I've seen on video. It's an excellent ploy, because anyone who see's that immediately wants to do even worse to all involved. An escalation of the war. Giving the fanatics an even better recruiting edge.
They'll get theirs...
The thing is, he's not the first hostage/prisoner that's had his head cut off, just the first one I've seen on video. It's an excellent ploy, because anyone who see's that immediately wants to do even worse to all involved. An escalation of the war. Giving the fanatics an even better recruiting edge.
They'll get theirs...
Bells said:
Those dogs never actually bit the prisoners but in one case, Bells, and being sodomized with a chemical light is definitely nothing beside having one's head sawn off one's shoulders.
Bells
Staff member
You've hit the nail right on the head. What they have done is given the US incentive to do even worse in Iraq, as they seek revenge and in doing worse, the fanatics will be in a position to recruit even more idiots to their cause.invert_nexus said:
Who will get theirs though? The fundamentalist/fanatics or the Iraqi people? We need to differentiate between the fanatical and the every day normal Iraqi who have done nothing wrong.
Ermmm I did agree with you Rappaccini. But I also made a point of stating that both sides were disgusting in their actions. Although if I had been sodomised with a chemical light, I'd probably be wishing for death. What Al Qaeda have done in all instances is disgusting beyond words. I can't begin to imagine what that poor man suffered. But I also cannot begin to imagine what those prisoners felt when they were tortured and killed in the manner that they were.Rappaccini said:
My point in the previous post is this. The US and their actions have taken away their ability to take the moral high ground to Saddam, and even Al Qaeda. We expect that the fanatical Al Qaeda would kill their captives as they have Berg. We'd be shocked if they didn't, because of the simple manner of their existence. They are killers of the worse kind. They are cowards. But unfortunately the US appear to have come up right alongside Al Qaeda in their lack of moral or even human behaviour. We did not expect that the US would torture and kill their captives in the way that they have. We expected better of them, even though it is naive to expect so. What we once expected from Al Qaeda and from Saddam's regime, we can now also expect from the US.
Rappaccini said:
What about the execution of the prisoners? Some were shot and others succumbed to their torture.
How about payment in advance? Like the hundreds of Iraqis who were killed by a fusillade of cruise missiles because Saddam’s henchman used his satellite phone? Alas, Saddam wasn’t home. Oh well.
Hot! Exclusive: The American Deheaded Tell what was happened before he died!!(Video)
Here is a Full translation:
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[The man introduces himself, his family, and where he lived]
``My name is Nick Berg, my father's name is Michael, my mother's name is Suzanne, I have a brother and sister, David and Sarah. I live in ... Philadelphia.''
Praise be to Allah who honoured Islaam with His support, and humilated shirk with His power, and control of the affairs with His Command, and seducer (mustadrij)with His plotting (makr).
To proceed:
O ummah of Islaam!
Glad tidings! For the signs of Fajr (i.e. day-light) have begun, and the winds of victory have rised, for Allah has honoured us with a great victory in Faloojah, in a day from the days of Allah, and so all grace is for Allah alone.
O ummah of Islaam!
Is there still an excuse for the seated-one? And how can a free Muslim sleep close-eyed whilst seeing Islaam being slaughtered, and he sees the bleeding of honour, and the images of shame, and the news of satanic abuse on the people of Islaam, men and women, in the prison of Abu Ghrayb. So where is the jealousy, and where is the zeal, and where is the anger for the religion of Allah? And where is the jealousy over the honour of the Muslims, and where is the revenge taken for the honour of the Muslim males and females in the prisons of the Crusaders.
As for you, O scholars of Islaam, then to Allah we complain (about you), do you not see that Allah has established the evidence on you by way of the youth of Islaam who humiliated the most paramount of powers in history, and broke its nose and destroyed its arrogance?
Has the time not come for you to learn from them the meanings of tawwakul (reliance on Allah), and to seek guidance from their actions lessons in sacrifice and forebearance, until when will you remain like the women, not knowing better than to wail, and not knowing a path except the path of screaming and crying?
So this (scholar) appeals to the free-men of this world, and the other seeks tawwasul (help) from Kofi Anan, and a third calls for help from 'Amr Moosa, and a fourth calls for peaceful demonstrations, as though they have not heard of the saying of the Most High: "O Messenger, arouse the believes on fighting"
Are you not fed up (lit. full up) of the Jihaad of the conferences and the battles of giving sermons, has the time for you not come to lift the sword with which the master of the Messengers was sent with?
And we hope, that you will not place yourself in a dillemma (after seeing) what we will do, as you usually do to please the Americans.
For the Messenger, sallallahu 'alayhi wa salam - and he is the master of the merciful ones - has commanded with the slaughtering of some of the prisoners of Badr, and killed them with all patience. And in him, we have an example and a good model.
As for you O dog of the Romans Bush, then have tidings of what will displease you, and await with the assistance of Allah for hard days, and you will regret - you, and your soldiers - on the day you set on the soil of 'Iraaq.
And another message for the treacherous stooge, Perveez Musharraf, then we say to him: We are in the highest of desires, awaiting your soldiers. For by Allah, we will seek them before the Americans, and will avenge for the blood of our brothers in Waana and other than it.
As for you, O mothers and wives of the American soldiers, then we say to you: We offered the American adminstration a (chance) to rescue this prisoner (by exchanging him) with some in the prison of Abu Ghrayb, so she declined. So we say to you: The honour of the Muslims males and females in the prison of Abu Ghrayb and other than it, is offered at the price of blood and souls, and nothing will reach you from us, except corpses following corpses, and coffins following coffins slaughtered in this manner.
"So kill the mushrikeen wherever you see them, and take them, and sanction them, and await them at every place"
[Takbeeraat, then end.]
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http://members.lycos.co.uk/mebwab/zarqawy.zip
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http://members.lycos.co.uk/mebwab2/zarqawy.zip
The password for zipped file is: zarqawy
Here is a Full translation:
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[The man introduces himself, his family, and where he lived]
``My name is Nick Berg, my father's name is Michael, my mother's name is Suzanne, I have a brother and sister, David and Sarah. I live in ... Philadelphia.''
Praise be to Allah who honoured Islaam with His support, and humilated shirk with His power, and control of the affairs with His Command, and seducer (mustadrij)with His plotting (makr).
To proceed:
O ummah of Islaam!
Glad tidings! For the signs of Fajr (i.e. day-light) have begun, and the winds of victory have rised, for Allah has honoured us with a great victory in Faloojah, in a day from the days of Allah, and so all grace is for Allah alone.
O ummah of Islaam!
Is there still an excuse for the seated-one? And how can a free Muslim sleep close-eyed whilst seeing Islaam being slaughtered, and he sees the bleeding of honour, and the images of shame, and the news of satanic abuse on the people of Islaam, men and women, in the prison of Abu Ghrayb. So where is the jealousy, and where is the zeal, and where is the anger for the religion of Allah? And where is the jealousy over the honour of the Muslims, and where is the revenge taken for the honour of the Muslim males and females in the prisons of the Crusaders.
As for you, O scholars of Islaam, then to Allah we complain (about you), do you not see that Allah has established the evidence on you by way of the youth of Islaam who humiliated the most paramount of powers in history, and broke its nose and destroyed its arrogance?
Has the time not come for you to learn from them the meanings of tawwakul (reliance on Allah), and to seek guidance from their actions lessons in sacrifice and forebearance, until when will you remain like the women, not knowing better than to wail, and not knowing a path except the path of screaming and crying?
So this (scholar) appeals to the free-men of this world, and the other seeks tawwasul (help) from Kofi Anan, and a third calls for help from 'Amr Moosa, and a fourth calls for peaceful demonstrations, as though they have not heard of the saying of the Most High: "O Messenger, arouse the believes on fighting"
Are you not fed up (lit. full up) of the Jihaad of the conferences and the battles of giving sermons, has the time for you not come to lift the sword with which the master of the Messengers was sent with?
And we hope, that you will not place yourself in a dillemma (after seeing) what we will do, as you usually do to please the Americans.
For the Messenger, sallallahu 'alayhi wa salam - and he is the master of the merciful ones - has commanded with the slaughtering of some of the prisoners of Badr, and killed them with all patience. And in him, we have an example and a good model.
As for you O dog of the Romans Bush, then have tidings of what will displease you, and await with the assistance of Allah for hard days, and you will regret - you, and your soldiers - on the day you set on the soil of 'Iraaq.
And another message for the treacherous stooge, Perveez Musharraf, then we say to him: We are in the highest of desires, awaiting your soldiers. For by Allah, we will seek them before the Americans, and will avenge for the blood of our brothers in Waana and other than it.
As for you, O mothers and wives of the American soldiers, then we say to you: We offered the American adminstration a (chance) to rescue this prisoner (by exchanging him) with some in the prison of Abu Ghrayb, so she declined. So we say to you: The honour of the Muslims males and females in the prison of Abu Ghrayb and other than it, is offered at the price of blood and souls, and nothing will reach you from us, except corpses following corpses, and coffins following coffins slaughtered in this manner.
"So kill the mushrikeen wherever you see them, and take them, and sanction them, and await them at every place"
[Takbeeraat, then end.]
---------
===============================
the Film Links:
--------------
http://www.jadmadi.net/vedio/iraq2vediom.rm
or
http://members.lycos.co.uk/mebwab/zarqawy.zip
or
http://members.lycos.co.uk/mebwab2/zarqawy.zip
The password for zipped file is: zarqawy
So this was done to chastise the Iraqis who didn't seem to be angry enough for the fanatics? This is the best evidence I've seen to date that the Iraqis are not our enemies. It's foreign fanatics that are causing the problems in Iraq.
Does this mean, then, that we have evidence of a division 'twixt, say, al Qaeda and the average Muslim? As we in the West cry out for condemnation by Islamic scholars, these murderers lament ... what?
Are they really complaining to God that the scholars aren't militant enough?
That's how I read it too, Tiassa.
Doesn't quite work, these people didn't cut the guys head off. You pay for yourself. You can't use others lifes to pay for your own crimes.
A note on the footage:
Mercifully, whomever encoded the footage did so poorly, and we are spared a synchronization of the screaming and killing.
Aside from that:
• What's with the speaker's inability to follow his own notes? I've never seen someone read off pages in such a random sequence. That actually bugs me, as it implies that he was just blustering out his ass at the time, which manages to knock this act even further down the ladder, if that is even possible.
• Now ... I don't get it. If they're going to release this as Zarqawi killing someone, what's with the masks? What, you'll allow the mouthpieces boast of your act but you won't let the world see that it's really you?
• This footage reminds me of the descriptions of the Pearl killing. So what is it with these murderers and their inability to look someone in the eye as they kill them? Not to say that the blindfold-and-cigarette of the classic firing squad is any better. There's something thematic about killing from behind; contrast the final passages of Koestler's Darkness at Noon, when his protagonist as such comes to his eventual end, shot in the back of the head. Compare that against a famous photo out of Vietnam of a young man about to die--the man killing him, holding the pistol to his head, is looking at his face. It's all despicable, but at least look him in the eye so he knows who's killing him.
Mercifully, whomever encoded the footage did so poorly, and we are spared a synchronization of the screaming and killing.
Aside from that:
• What's with the speaker's inability to follow his own notes? I've never seen someone read off pages in such a random sequence. That actually bugs me, as it implies that he was just blustering out his ass at the time, which manages to knock this act even further down the ladder, if that is even possible.
• Now ... I don't get it. If they're going to release this as Zarqawi killing someone, what's with the masks? What, you'll allow the mouthpieces boast of your act but you won't let the world see that it's really you?
• This footage reminds me of the descriptions of the Pearl killing. So what is it with these murderers and their inability to look someone in the eye as they kill them? Not to say that the blindfold-and-cigarette of the classic firing squad is any better. There's something thematic about killing from behind; contrast the final passages of Koestler's Darkness at Noon, when his protagonist as such comes to his eventual end, shot in the back of the head. Compare that against a famous photo out of Vietnam of a young man about to die--the man killing him, holding the pistol to his head, is looking at his face. It's all despicable, but at least look him in the eye so he knows who's killing him.