Corona Virus 2019-nCoV

geordief said:
Anyone got any knowledge on whether gargling with warm salt water is beneficial for this virus ? I have read that it is helpful for all viruses in shortening the duration of the illness.

Would that imply a lessening of mortality rates,?

Apparently it may be the chlorine that is "active ingedient" and seemingly it may dehydrate the region ,flushing out the virus.

Is there much science in this,does anyone know?( Not my explation ,I have no knowledge except that I have always done this )
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From what I can tell, the virus is primarily transmitted by being consumed by the host. Orally and via the eyes are major path ways.
By using a salty mouth wash My guess is that you may temporarily make the mouth less hospitable to the virus, but the effect would last for only a few minutes or until the taste of salt departed.
If that were the case then maintaining a very salty mouth may prove beneficial but you would probably poison yourself in the mean time.

The best thing you can do is prevent your self from consuming the virus via the mouth or eyes. ( masks and goggles?)
but this is purely speculation on my part.
 
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The CDC admits the rollout of Covid-19 diagnostic tests “has not gone as smoothly as we would have liked.”

foot dragging and bureaucratic red tape?
 
sculptor said:
The CDC admits the rollout of Covid-19 diagnostic tests “has not gone as smoothly as we would have liked.”
foot dragging and bureaucratic red tape?
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Budget cuts. The CDC's global infectious disease program was cut by 80% three years ago. Timothy Ziemer, the US official responsible for leading the U.S. response on pandemics, got the boot in 2018. The Crises Fund, a $30 million emergency response program to maintain and deploy disease experts in the event of a pandemic, was cut out completely.

As a result of these cuts, when the CDC decided to start testing people for COVID-19, only 3 of the USA's 100+ public health labs still had the capability to test for the virus. So it is going to be slow going for quite some time.
 
billvon said:
Wash your hands, don't touch your face.
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and what ever you do do not turn off the water taps with your now clean hands after washing them...using a disposable treated wipe to turn the taps off can work...
 
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sculptor said:
The CDC admits the rollout of Covid-19 diagnostic tests “has not gone as smoothly as we would have liked.”

foot dragging and bureaucratic red tape?
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Republican (fascist) government, operating normally (its staffing priority is Partisan loyalty and fealty to the Strongman) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/31/us-coronavirus-budget-cuts-trump-underprepared
This guy wrote the go-to book so far (note: Michael Lewis is not a lefty, and treats Trump as an anomaly)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/08/books/review/michael-lewis-fifth-risk.html
Lewis asks MacWilliams to list the top five risks. The first four are predictable: Broken Arrows. North Korea. Iran (that is, maintaining the agreement that prevents Iran from building a nuclear bomb). Protecting the electric grid from cyberterrorism. But the fifth, most important risk is a stunner: “program management.” Hence, the title of this book.
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redux: Fascists are fuckups - the Italian trains ran worse, not better, under Mussolini's misrule, Canadian disaster response teams coming overland from Vancouver beat the US Federal disaster response units to the flooded 9th Ward of New Orleans after Katrina (and arrived better equipped - the US units, under the direction of a guy whose job qualification was Partisan loyalty, didn't even have maps).
Compare the Federally coordinated response to the Red River North levee failure and major flood of 1997 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Red_River_flood_in_the_United_States
Not a single person was killed in the flood itself.
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billvon said:
Or umbrellas to keep the bat mites from falling on your head. . . .
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Indeed!

But about toilet paper, I remember when we had a spate of shortages in the shops in the 1970s, it was always toilet paper that people went into a panic and hoarded, thus creating the very shortage they feared.
 
exchemist said:
But about toilet paper, I remember when we had a spate of shortages in the shops in the 1970s, it was always toilet paper that people went into a panic and hoarded, thus creating the very shortage they feared.
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I think the toilet-paper thing is mainly that it lasts forever, so no one worries about having too much.
 
billvon said:
I think the toilet-paper thing is mainly that it lasts forever, so no one worries about having too much.
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I think it's more than that. After all, cans of food can last a long time but it's always the toilet paper!
I think it's simply 'cos there's nothing else that will really do the same job for most people. With food there's always likely to be something to eat. But I think toilet paper is one of those things that seems insignificant... right up until you do actually run out! :D What alternative to toilet-paper would you use until they restocked and you could get some?
 
billvon said:
Old cloth diapers? Junk mail? Paper towels? Rags? Doesn't seem that hard to come up with alternatives.
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You may have noticed that boxes of tissues were/are also being bought up in vast numbers.
Boxes of tissues <==> toilet tissue ( rolls)
Perhaps they are using the toilet paper as they would facial tissue...
I know of a few who use toilet rolls as a cheap alternative to boxed tissue paper, especially if there are a number of small children involved.

or because the boxed tissue had sold out people just simply went for the toilet paper instead.
 
There is a lot of concern in the media about Iran at the moment.
It appears that there may be many cases that are not confirmed when they probably would be, if Iranian authorities were better resourced.
Unverified uploaded video indicates a massive problem there. (street deaths, ill patients on the ground etc)

I guess the pseudo truth will come out eventually ...

Coms with Iran appear to be open generally.
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WHO states that COVID-19 is up to 4 times as deadly as the seasonal flu
Coronavirus patients have a 3.4 per cent chance of dying from the disease, the World Health Organisation has said. That's more than the chance of dying from the seasonal flu (less than 1 per cent). But the WHO continues to stress that the disease can be contained.​

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-04/coronavirus-live-updates/12023040
 
Sarkus said:
I think it's more than that. After all, cans of food can last a long time but it's always the toilet paper!
I think it's simply 'cos there's nothing else that will really do the same job for most people. With food there's always likely to be something to eat. But I think toilet paper is one of those things that seems insignificant... right up until you do actually run out! :D What alternative to toilet-paper would you use until they restocked and you could get some?
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Traditionally it was torn up squares of newspaper. Though when two of my brothers lived in a house in Hackney, they worked their way through the pages of an especially bad Jeffrey Archer paperback, called "First Among Equals". It lasted quite a while.
 
exchemist said:
This made me laugh. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...sydney-supermarket-panic-buying-a9371751.html

Why is it always toilet paper, of all the inessential things? :rolleyes:

I notice it doesn't say anything about bat deterrents.......:D
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People panic buying toilet paper just about everywhere here now. I was lucky and was able to get one out of four packs left when doing the weekly shop (and I wasn't buying it to stock up, but because we buy a pack a week usually anyway and had to make do with a 4 roll pack and will have to try again later on this week as 4 rolls wont last long here), and I see this moron go past me at the checkout with a trolley full of packs of the damn things... He must have gotten there before me. It is ridiculous. People are literally buying hundreds of rolls.. Those of us buying for need can only buy what is left.
 
2 new cases reported in Australia with out any known transmission route. This can only mean one thing...as far as i can tell, we should expect the numbers of cases to increase significantly in the next few days...
 
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Bells said:
People panic buying toilet paper just about everywhere here now. I was lucky and was able to get one out of four packs left when doing the weekly shop (and I wasn't buying it to stock up, but because we buy a pack a week usually anyway and had to make do with a 4 roll pack and will have to try again later on this week as 4 rolls wont last long here), and I see this moron go past me at the checkout with a trolley full of packs of the damn things... He must have gotten there before me. It is ridiculous. People are literally buying hundreds of rolls.. Those of us buying for need can only buy what is left.
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It's mad. But it will settle down, once everybody's garage is full of bog rolls. Absurdly. :rolleyes:
 
billvon said:
Old cloth diapers? Junk mail? Paper towels? Rags? Doesn't seem that hard to come up with alternatives.
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All of those would be like having to survive on a type of food you really dislike. Sure, you could live on it, but you’d utterly hate every mouthful. Much better to stock up on what you like! Don’t get me wrong, I’m not one for panic buying and wheeling out trolley loads of toilet paper, but I can understand where they’re coming from. :)
 
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