Covid 19 was planned - a conspiracy theory by David Martin

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Revelation In Space

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This is something very difficult for me. It's something I don't want to do for reasons that are my own. I'm willing to have a discussion with Pinball1970 on this subject because I think he is unique. Although I think he is an ideologue I also think that he is a uniquely honest one. I have three stipulations for engaging in this discourse.

1. It must be respectful.
2. It must not meander; that is to say it must be well thought out, not merely a long series of poorly thought out, emotional knee jerk reactions. This means that if some resident idiot interferes with some stupid attack or criticism that has no real point, we do not entertain it.
3. You must watch this video, in full, before we start.

The video is a fairly long one. It is over an hour and 20 minutes long, but I think it crucial because it is Dr. David Martin who has been warning us about the coronavirus spike protein being used as bioweapon for over 20 years. No one, and I mean no one, knows more about this than he does. Once you've watched the video in full, let me know and we can continue. If you don't, discussion over.

Dr David Martin: Corona Patents
 
Revelation In Space said:
This is something very difficult for me. It's something I don't want to do for reasons that are my own. I'm willing to have a discussion with Pinball1970 on this subject because I think he is unique. Although I think he is an ideologue I also think that he is a uniquely honest one. I have three stipulations for engaging in this discourse.

1. It must be respectful.
2. It must not meander; that is to say it must be well thought out, not merely a long series of poorly thought out, emotional knee jerk reactions. This means that if some resident idiot interferes with some stupid attack or criticism that has no real point, we do not entertain it.
3. You must watch this video, in full, before we start.

The video is a fairly long one. It is over an hour and 20 minutes long, but I think it crucial because it is Dr. David Martin who has been warning us about the coronavirus spike protein being used as bioweapon for over 20 years. No one, and I mean no one, knows more about this than he does. Once you've watched the video in full, let me know and we can continue. If you don't, discussion over.

Dr David Martin: Corona Patents
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I'm upvoting. You are being a gentleman about it.
 
Revelation In Space said:
This is something very difficult for me. It's something I don't want to do for reasons that are my own. I'm willing to have a discussion with Pinball1970 on this subject because I think he is unique. Although I think he is an ideologue I also think that he is a uniquely honest one. I have three stipulations for engaging in this discourse.

1. It must be respectful.
2. It must not meander; that is to say it must be well thought out, not merely a long series of poorly thought out, emotional knee jerk reactions. This means that if some resident idiot interferes with some stupid attack or criticism that has no real point, we do not entertain it.
3. You must watch this video, in full, before we start.

The video is a fairly long one. It is over an hour and 20 minutes long, but I think it crucial because it is Dr. David Martin who has been warning us about the coronavirus spike protein being used as bioweapon for over 20 years. No one, and I mean no one, knows more about this than he does. Once you've watched the video in full, let me know and we can continue. If you don't, discussion over.

Dr David Martin: Corona Patents
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Ok, first issue? Science progresses via publications and these are discussed at conferences.
They are tested by other scientific teams, modified, edited, enhanced.

This is why we do not die of infectious diseases in the West anymore, on the whole.
 
Pinball1970 said:
Ok, first issue? Science progresses via publications and these are discussed at conferences.
They are tested by other scientific teams, modified, edited, enhanced.

This is why we do not die of infectious diseases in the West anymore, on the whole.
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I posted the thread 24 minutes ago. The response quoted above by you 6 minutes ago. It's an hour and 20-minute video. You have to tell me you watched it first. First, last and only warning. I'm not playing with you. This isn't conspiracy to me, it isn't ideology, belief, opinion. What this did to me and my family - I'm not playing with you.
 
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Pinball1970 said:
I have not watched it. I will. Then I will feed back
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I only want you to watch it because it is what I think this is about. You and I aren't molecular biologists, or scientists by any formal measure. You needn't comment on the video, though you can if you like. To me it's the backdrop, the point of the discussion. Was the pandemic planned? For the video, here is some supplemental material in case you would like to look into any of those US patent numbers. It isn't necessary, but just a courtesy. It was also composed by Dr David Martin.

The Fauci/COVID-19 Dossier
 
RiS - you can't dictate the terms of discussion or demand that we watch some movie length video. Summarize your point in some kind of abstract and provide some evidence of your assertions. And singling out one member as if anyone else who may offer critique is a "resident idiot" is offensive and demeaning to the spirit of open discussion...and to science generally.

And if you want to talk with a biologist with some background in public health, I am one. Dr Martin has no credentials or expertise in virology or epidemiology or any related field, and is widely recognized as a misinformation peddling nutcase. He deeply misunderstands gain-of-function research, and reveals his ignorance instantly to anyone who actually works with pathogens.
 
Revelation In Space said:
. You and I aren't molecular biologists, or scientists by any formal measure
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My UG was applied Biology and I worked in laboratories from 1990-2007, did some consultancy work (labs) and the last 17 years have been out of the labs but in the technical department.
So, publishing in respectable Journals? No.
Having a complete lack of understanding or education, experience and back ground of certain scientific subjects? That will be a "no" also.
 
Pinball1970 said:
Just to add. I wanted to avoid the claim of, "You didn't even watch the video, youre afraid of the truth!"
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Pia Fraus [Latin] Pious Fraud - Dutiful Deceit

It doesn't mean that you are afraid of the truth, it means that you don't care about the truth. It also means that you don't feel that it is important and that listening to me isn't important. In that case we aren't having a discussion, and being an honest person of integrity, I'm not willing to create some illusion that our interaction is something that it isn't. That gives me power over anyone - including but not limited to Pope, President, Biologist, Teacher, Scientist, or lab technician. I learned that when I was six years old watching my dad try to convince me of his fake democratic politics.

When you have watched the video tell me that you have watched the video. Stop gaslighting.
 
The second part of “Plandemic” — a documentary-style video that presents a sweeping conspiracy theory about the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic, patents and vaccines — landed on Aug. 18, spinning together many of the falsehoods about the disease that we’ve been debunking for months, plus some new misleading claims.

The 75-minute video expands on the first installment, which captured widespread attention in early May. At the time, much of the U.S. was under various stay-at-home orders in an effort to curb the spread of the novel coronavirus about two months after the World Health Organization designated COVID-19 a pandemic. The first installment spread a number of false and misleading claims made by Judy Mikovits, a researcher known for her discredited work on chronic fatigue syndrome.

The new video, called “Plandemic: Indoctornation,” offers a more far-reaching conspiratorial take on the pandemic, with an underlying theme that the media can’t be trusted. It suggests without proof that the novel coronavirus was man-made and intentionally released.

The video is heavy on innuendo and features David Martin, a financial analyst and self-help entrepreneur who has a YouTube channel that has pushed some of the same conspiracy theories....

 
The “Plandemic” video suggests a nefarious motive behind Event 201 and implies it is evidence for the video’s theory that the pandemic was planned. “Nature conveniently backs itself into our architecture,” Martin says. “That’s the scenario we’re supposed to accept.”

Coronaviruses are a family of viruses, and experts have known of the pandemic threat posed by coronaviruses for years. So it’s not surprising to those who study such outbreaks that a preparedness exercise would have centered on a coronavirus.

Dr. Donald Burke, the Jonas Salk chair in population health and professor of epidemiology at the University of Pittsburgh, in a 1998 article discussing prevention of viral pandemics, warned that coronaviruses were among those that “should be considered as serious threats to human health. These are viruses with high evolvability and proven ability to cause epidemics in animal populations.”

Burke, who at the time was a researcher at Johns Hopkins University, looked at how viruses jumped between animal species and how they evolve, among other factors. “Coronaviruses had all the right tools in the tool kit” to trigger a pandemic, Burke told us in a phone interview.

He was proven correct in 2003 by the outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS.

SARS is caused by another type of coronavirus, which, importantly, is different from the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19. Several different human viruses are included in the coronavirus group, ranging from those that cause the common cold to those that cause more severe illnesses, like SARS and COVID-19.

Burke said after the outbreak, infectious disease researchers — knowing that SARS could have been worse if it had been more transmissible — further recognized the threat presented by coronaviruses.

It’s “downright sensible” to have held preparation exercises on a potential coronavirus pandemic, he said. “If you’re concerned about epidemic diseases, coronaviruses need to be high on your list — and thinking through what a coronavirus epidemic might look like.”

Dr. Eric Toner, senior scholar and senior scientist at the Center for Health Security, told us in a phone interview that the center “chose coronavirus because it would be one of the believable pathogens other than flu.” He cited examples of other actual coronaviruses, like those that cause SARS and Middle East respiratory syndrome, or MERS.
 
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But Martin has also peddled conspiracy theories over the years. He published a novel in 2011, which he claimed was based on real events, alleging a rigged 2008 presidential election that was somehow tied to the terror attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

Since the pandemic began, he has used his YouTube channel to promote COVID-19 conspiracy theories. He repeats many of those claims in “Plandemic: Indoctornation.”

In one video from April, Martin referred to Event 201, saying: “COVID-19 is a branded campaign … that is funded by people in the software, data sciences and social media industry. That’s who built COVID-19.”
The gist of Martin’s video was that wealthy philanthropists like Bill Gates, technology companies, pharmaceutical companies and global health organizations colluded to create a virus that would force governments to fund research and development of vaccines and therapies in order to enrich themselves.
For “Plandemic,” though, Martin shifts his focus away from “the software, data sciences and social media industry.” Instead, he takes aim largely at government entities.
Martin claims that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention saw “the possibility of a gold strike” when the SARS epidemic arose in 2003.
“They saw that a virus they knew could be easily manipulated was something that was very valuable,” he says, pointing to a patent filed by the CDC that year. The patent covered the isolated virus that causes SARS and ways to detect it.
Skimming across the screen while Martin makes that claim is a headline for a November 2003 news story about the race to patent the virus. However, that story doesn’t support his argument. It actually explains that the CDC wasn’t pursuing the patent for profit. Rather, it was doing so to keep others from monopolizing research.
“The whole purpose of the patent is to prevent folks from controlling the technology,” the story quotes CDC spokesman Llelwyn Grant as saying. “This is being done to give the industry and other researchers reasonable access to the samples.”

Similarly, the director of the CDC at the time, Dr. Julie Gerberding, told reporters that filing for the patent was “a protective measure to make sure that the access to the virus remains open for everyone.”
 
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Similarly, the director of the CDC at the time, Dr. Julie Gerberding, told reporters that filing for the patent was “a protective measure to make sure that the access to the virus remains open for everyone.”

“The concern that the federal government is looking at right now is that we could be locked out of this opportunity to work with this virus if it’s patented by someone else, and so by initiating steps to secure patent rights, we assure that we will be able to continue to make the virus and the products from the virus available in the public domain, and that we can continue to promote the rapid technological transfer of this biomedical information into tools and products that are useful to patients,” Gerberding said in a May 2003 telebriefing.

So, Martin’s claim is at odds with the CDC’s publicly stated motivation, and he offers no evidence to support his argument.
 
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Next, Martin claims that federal law wouldn’t have allowed for a patent on that isolated virus.

Again, he’s wrong.

Instead of reading from U.S. patent law, as he says he is in the video, Martin reads from a 2013 U.S. Supreme Court decision. That’s an important distinction since the decision, which changed one aspect of patent law that’s relevant here, came 10 years after the CDC filed for a patent related to the virus that causes SARS.

“Nature is prohibited from being patented,” Martin says, claiming that he was quoting from a section of patent law. Building on that, he claims, “either SARS, coronavirus, was manufactured, therefore making a patent on it legal, or it was natural, therefore making a patent on it illegal.”

But that’s a false dichotomy.

While the Supreme Court did find that “[a] naturally occurring DNA segment is a product of nature and not patent eligible merely because it has been isolated,” that decision came a decade after the CDC sought the patent.

“Isolated genes (that is, genes extracted from a longer DNA sequence) used to be patentable in the past because the courts decided that just the act of extracting them and removing the non-coding segments caused enough of a modification to turn them into patent-eligible things,” Mario Biagioli, a professor at UCLA School of Law, told FactCheck.org in an email. “No more. A few years ago the Supreme Court decided that simply isolating a gene did not change it enough. It remained a ‘product of nature’ and therefore unpatentable.”

So, claiming that the patent is either illegal or the virus was “manufactured” is wrong.

After that, Martin takes his claim one step further, saying: “If it was manufactured, it was a violation of biological and chemical weapons treaties and laws. If it was natural, filing a patent on it was illegal. In either outcome, both are illegal.”

That’s not right, either, said Arti Rai, a professor at Duke University School of Law, in a phone interview with FactCheck.org.

In order for scientists to do research on either diseases or biological weapons, they need access to the underlying biological material and there are laws governing who can do that research and in what facilities, said Rai. It’s not necessarily illegal to possess such material.

Also, she noted, something that is illegal to use, like a chemical or biological weapon, isn’t illegal to patent.

“Lots of things have been patented over the years that would be illegal to use,” said Rai. She gave the example of devices for taking illegal drugs, explaining that having a patent on something doesn’t give you the right to use it.

Altogether, the statements Martin makes about legal issues are inaccurate, Rai said, and the way the video presents connections related to those statements are inaccurate, too.
 
Revelation In Space said:
Fist and only warning. I'm not playing with you
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Don't threaten me! I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and I can only guess you have lost someone close, if that is the case I am very sorry for your loss.
That being said you cannot tell someone how to read a script or how to listen to a video, you do not demand rules.
There are a lot of read flags already just ten minutes in.

Firstly the terms, SARS, MERS, COVID-19, Corona virus and spike protein are being used in a very sloppy manner, to confuse an uneducated audience in my view.
SARS is a disease, Severe acute respiratory syndrome.
Corona is the taxa.
COVID-19 is the specific disease w.r.t. SARS-CoV-2.

These are not all interchangeable and virology based on one does not mean all.

I checked the claims against patents also, his references do not stand up.
Work on genomics from first issuances were based on first cases in 2019 and those played out during the next three years.

We had wild type in March 2020 in the UK then Alpha 2021 then Delta in July then Omicron.

I would check the weekly publications during this time, the UKHSA, CDC and publications in scientific journals.
 
Pinball1970 said:
Don't threaten me! I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and I can only guess you have lost someone close, if that is the case I am very sorry for your loss.
That being said you cannot tell someone how to read a script or how to listen to a video, you do not demand rules.
There are a lot of read flags already just ten minutes in.

Firstly the terms, SARS, MERS, COVID-19, Corona virus and spike protein are being used in a very sloppy manner, to confuse an uneducated audience in my view.
SARS is a disease, Severe acute respiratory syndrome.
Corona is the taxa.
COVID-19 is the specific disease w.r.t. SARS-CoV-2.

These are not all interchangeable and virology based on one does not mean all.

I checked the claims against patents also, his references do not stand up.
Work on genomics from first issuances were based on first cases in 2019 and those played out during the next three years.

We had wild type in March 2020 in the UK then Alpha 2021 then Delta in July then Omicron.

I would check the weekly publications during this time, the UKHSA, CDC and publications in scientific journals.
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Thank you for your time, have a nice day.
 
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