Covid Vaccination and Recent Spike in cases?

KUMAR5 said:
In open forum, we should not involve in individual's personal odds and evens.
PM Modi is quite popular, industrious liked and helping most of the world inspite
he started from very low level and with all sided strong oppositions. It is not simple for
any common and uncommon person. Hence we can also appreciate his credits and contributions to
nation, to world and to humanity.

Rest about Maharastra, I think you know that what even our government, media, public etc do not know
so I can not discuss or comment on it.
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i think Modi is doing a very good job considering how difficult the problem
aside from that i generally like him from what i have read of his policy's and decision making processes.
he is embracing technology & attempting to move the country forward against a great deal of opposition and old culture which does not wish to change but needs to for survival.

in M
the rate is closer to 3.6 % i believe add on denial of services from that extra medical burden and the real rate is probably close to 5 or 6% at a guess
very dense population lots of people to people close contact as normal daily business and life's.
changing that means a change in culture
the people must WANT to change if they want better outcomes & they must co-operate & make the actions of change, together as a peoples choice.
 
RainbowSingularity said:
i think Modi is doing a very good job considering how difficult the problem
aside from that i generally like him from what i have read of his policy's and decision making processes.
he is embracing technology & attempting to move the country forward against a great deal of opposition and old culture which does not wish to change but needs to for survival.

in M
the rate is closer to 3.6 % i believe add on denial of services from that extra medical burden and the real rate is probably close to 5 or 6% at a guess..
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Many many thinks are still unclear and vague in Covid. Hence it is not useful to involve in unnecessary
arguments.
 
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Further information: Immune system
The main categories of antibody action include the following:


1) Antibodies (A) and pathogens (B) free roam in the blood. 2) The antibodies bind to pathogens, and can do so in different formations such as: opsonization (2a), neutralisation (2b), and agglutination (2c). 3) A phagocyte (C) approaches the pathogen, and the Fc region (D) of the antibody binds to one of the Fc receptors (E) of the phagocyte. 4) Phagocytosis occurs as the pathogen is ingested.
More indirectly, an antibody can signal immune cells to present antibody fragments to T cells, or downregulate other immune cells to avoid autoimmunity.

Activated B cells differentiate into either antibody-producing cells called plasma cells that secrete soluble antibody or memory cells that survive in the body for years afterward in order to allow the immune system to remember an antigen and respond faster upon future exposures.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody
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Pls refer to above quote esp. last function of antibody(bolded by me).

Does it mean that Antibodies presence in our body can be a reason to cause inflammatory response and their
long term presence as long term inflammatory response? During Covid treatment at one stage it is anticipated that
much damages and clotting happen due to immune and inflammatory response. Therefore anti inflammatory treatment
with Steroids or other meds are opted. Does it mean that such inflammatory response is antibody mediated?
If so what about long term antibody existence post infection or post vaccination? Can siuch long term antibody presence
cause long term inflammation in body? Main or cultural goal of vaccination was to acquire immunological memory instead which secrete antibodies when memory cells are stimulated and as a short term event.
 
  1. KUMAR5 said:
    Does it mean that Antibodies presence in our body can be a reason to cause inflammatory response
    [*] and their long term presence as long term inflammatory response?
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  2. KUMAR5 said:
    During Covid treatment at one stage it is anticipated that much damages and clotting happen due to immune and inflammatory response
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KUMAR5 said:
Does it mean that such inflammatory response is antibody mediated?
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KUMAR5 said:
If so what about long term antibody existence post infection
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KUMAR5 said:
or post vaccination?
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KUMAR5 said:
Can siuch long term antibody presence
cause long term inflammation in body?
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8. ?
KUMAR5 said:
Main or cultural goal of vaccination was to acquire immunological memory instead which secrete antibodies when memory cells are stimulated and as a short term event.
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i have listed and numbered your questions
so it makes it easier for scientists to answer them
and i have highlighted what looks like wild mixing crossing over 2 different things

after effects of both
9. ? vaccine effects ?
10. effects of SAR'SCoV-2 ?
11. after effects of vaccines ?

you do not make it very easy for highly skilled people with very limited & valuable personal time to answer your questions

i hope this helps them read what your asking so you get better answers to all the different things you seem to have mixed together

(?)what is the effect of antibody's being in the blood stream continuously ?
 
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RainbowSingularity said:
vaccine effects
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If someone is concerned about blood clots because of vaccines better take all women on the contraceptive pill off because its more likely to cause clotting

while there is a small risk of clotting in some individuals who take the AstraZeneca vaccine, this clotting risk is much less than with many other things, including contraceptive pills – and significantly less than the risk of clotting after a COVID-19 infection

https://theconversation.com/blood-c...this in mind, it's,after a COVID-19 infection.

Vaccine COVID-19.gif

:)
 
Michael 345 said:
If someone is concerned about blood clots because of vaccines better take all women on the contraceptive pill off because its more likely to cause clotting

while there is a small risk of clotting in some individuals who take the AstraZeneca vaccine, this clotting risk is much less than with many other things, including contraceptive pills – and significantly less than the risk of clotting after a COVID-19 infection

https://theconversation.com/blood-clot-risks-comparing-the-astrazeneca-vaccine-and-the-contraceptive-pill-158652#:~:text=With this in mind, it's,after a COVID-19 infection.

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Useful comparison to get risks in perspective.

However, if mRNA alternative vaccines happen to be available, younger people (under 40) should probably have those in preference, as they do not seem to carry even this small risk. (As I'm over 60, I've had 2 my shots of the Oxford/AstraZeneca one without a moment's hesitation.)
 
RainbowSingularity said:
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i have listed and numbered your questions
so it makes it easier for scientists to answer them
and i have highlighted what looks like wild mixing crossing over 2 different things

after effects of both
9. ? vaccine effects ?
10. effects of SAR'SCoV-2 ?
11. after effects of vaccines ?

you do not make it very easy for highly skilled people with very limited & valuable personal time to answer your questions

i hope this helps them read what your asking so you get better answers to all the different things you seem to have mixed together

(?)what is the effect of antibody's being in the blood stream continuously ?
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Okay, whatever. Let us how these are awnsered now?
 
exchemist said:
Useful comparison to get risks in perspective.

However, if mRNA alternative vaccines happen to be available, younger people (under 40) should probably have those in preference, as they do not seem to carry even this small risk. (As I'm over 60, I've had 2 my shots of the Oxford/AstraZeneca one without a moment's hesitation.)
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Concern is antibody mediated inflammatory response not of specific vaccine. All vaccines should be a reason to producing long term antibodied and so long term last function of antibodied as I quoted in my previous post
 
KUMAR5 said:
Concern is antibody mediated inflammatory response not of specific vaccine. All vaccines should be a reason to producing long term antibodied and so long term last function of antibodied as I quoted in my previous post
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https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/disorders-of-the-immune-system
An overactive immune system

If you are born with certain genes, your immune system may react to substances in the environment that are normally harmless. These substances are called allergens. Having an allergic reaction is the most common example of an overactive immune system. Dust, mold, pollen, and foods are examples of allergens.


Some conditions caused by an overactive immune system are:


  • Asthma. The response in your lungs can cause coughing, wheezing, and trouble breathing. Asthma can be triggered by common allergens like dust or pollen or by an irritant like tobacco smoke.
  • Eczema. An allergen causes an itchy rash known as atopic dermatitis.

  • Allergic rhinitis. Sneezing, a runny nose, sniffling, and swelling of your nasal passages from indoor allergens like dust and pets or outdoor allergens like pollens or molds.
 
RainbowSingularity said:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/disorders-of-the-immune-system
An overactive immune system

If you are born with certain genes, your immune system may react to substances in the environment that are normally harmless. These substances are called allergens. Having an allergic reaction is the most common example of an overactive immune system. Dust, mold, pollen, and foods are examples of allergens.


Some conditions caused by an overactive immune system are:


  • Asthma. The response in your lungs can cause coughing, wheezing, and trouble breathing. Asthma can be triggered by common allergens like dust or pollen or by an irritant like tobacco smoke.
  • Eczema. An allergen causes an itchy rash known as atopic dermatitis.

  • Allergic rhinitis. Sneezing, a runny nose, sniffling, and swelling of your nasal passages from indoor allergens like dust and pets or outdoor allergens like pollens or molds.
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COMPLICATIONS DUE TO AN ALTERED IMMUNE RESPONSE

An efficient immune response protects against many diseases and disorders. An inefficient immune response allows diseases to develop. Too much, too little, or the wrong immune response causes immune system disorders. An overactive immune response can lead to the development of autoimmune diseases, in which antibodies form against the body's own tissues.

Complications from altered immune responses include:

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Pls also look the above quote.
 
KUMAR5 said:
hello all,
Greetings!

I am just checking it.

Recently there is abnormal excessive spike in Covid 19 infected people.

There is also similar spike in vaccination program for Covid 19 recently. This is the only major evet
prefered recently.

Can there be any relation between these two??

Logically, I am suspecting modified intact virus present in vaccines get excreted by body's mechanism
to get rid of them in nasopharyngeal region (also in other parts eg GUT) and this form basis of getting false positive results on RT-PCR testing for Covid 19.

Sudden spike in antibodies production and existence may cause some mild symptom esp low grade fever leading a person to go for RT-PCR testing in fear. Such antibodies should be bit new and odd so unnatural to body till we are evolved or become habituated so may attract immune response to degrade or get rid of these.

Developing immunological memory was origional goal of vaccine but is it not bit odd developing antibody based immunity? Whether long existing antibodies like to EBV virus, scarlet fever etc are itself not pathological. Should antibody induced immunity be a short term solution?

Sorry many questions but all interlinked.

Best wishes.
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Have you read anything rather strange about what happened in Cambodia?
 
KUMAR5 said:
Pls also look the above quote.
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evolution of people
increased diagnosis of autism
aspergers
complex immuno deficiency issues
air pollution
anti bacterial resistant bacteria created by excess antibiotics
lack of access to health care creating complex medical conditions which spread among people

A.I.D'S medication is probably a solid income stream now
so is the contraceptive pill
...
so is tax free megga churches
 
Dennis Tate said:
Have you read anything rather strange about what happened in Cambodia?
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KUMAR5 said:
No. Pls tell.
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Cambodia probably does not have the money or medical resources to test all their dead

Cambodia sits between westernised asia, china & india
it trades with all political types but has been hit EXTREMELY hard by African swine flu and their growing tourism just before that which was getting regulated was wiped out.

strategically they are well placed but have a difficult split political system of ideologies
they are more socialist than capitalist

china has solid business ties
usa & some other western countrys have solid business ties with them also

but all that was set o fire by swine flu & covid19 driving a lack of tourism

there under reporting of covid will be massive
not from deliberately doing it
instead because they need the money for food.

ad some other low currency country will be very keen to use them as a safe over seas tourist destination to circulate people for holidays.
Russia
China
some western countrys

but who is going to be in control ?
good question

they are probably starting to get covid into their upper class who are the only ones with money to be tested

what do they need ?
medical infrastructure & consumables & roading & utility upgrades for tourism to allow satellite tourism in their remote areas to get electricity & toilets

i am not bothering to look for any conspiracy theory's
im sure there is conspiracy theory's in every country of almost every different possible color or flavor.

they probably need transportation & generator fuel tanks & infrastructure
they will be best with a socialist mixed market democracy which services village social representation.

their western coast line could be developed into a isolated 5 star coastal resort concept to bring in top dollar tourism with medium low higher capacity for larger style groups from china & Russia where groups of familys & sports teams can spend a few days or a week or so.
preferably working class income class who are informed of the environmental rules and cleanliness to be enjoyed & co-operated with etc.
electricity is a bit of an issue
 
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