Creationist conference surprises MSU

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"A creationist conference set for a major research campus — Michigan State University (MSU) in East Lansing — is creating unease among some of the school's students and faculty, which includes several prominent evolutionary biologists. The event, called the Origins Summit, is sponsored by Creation Summit, an Oklahoma-based nonprofit Christian group that believes in a literal interpretation of the Bible and was founded to "challenge evolution and all such theories predicated on chance." The one-day conference will include eight workshops, according the event's website, including discussion of how evolutionary theory influenced Adolf Hitler's worldview, why "the Big Bang is fake," and why "natural selection is NOT evolution." News of the event caught MSU's scientific community largely by surprise. Creation Summit secured a room at the university's business school through a student religious group, but the student group did not learn about the details of the program—or the sometimes provocative talk titles — until later."===
 
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"Creation Summit secured a room at the university's business school through a student religious group, but the student group did not learn about the details of the program—or the sometimes provocative talk titles — until later."
Sounds like an obvious scam to try to convince people that MSU is sponsoring the event. And now the people who attend the conference will be able to say, "I went to MSU."
 
Sounds like an obvious scam to try to convince people that MSU is sponsoring the event. And now the people who attend the conference will be able to say, "I went to MSU."

Yep..anything to lend a shred credibility to creationism. They would probably rent a warehouse next to the campus to have a conference and then claim it was supported by MSU. It's ridiculous that in the 21st century we still have this sort of pseudoscience still being propagated.
 
Some Creationist views about the Big Bang.
Listen and learn:
Another Theory of how the world came to be is through a process starting with a "Big Bang".

The Big Bang is a theory that sounds impressive on the surface, but simply does not hold up to extensive examination.

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Here is how the Big Bang is often presented:
Somewhere between 18 and 20 billion years ago, all of the matter in the universe was compressed into a tiny space no larger than the dot on a page. This dot spun faster and faster until it exploded, thus creating the Universe and everything in it.

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There are many problems with this theory. And the theory itself still does not answer many important questions - Such as where did all the matter in the universe come from?
If all the matter in the universe was compressed into a small dot, what caused this to happen? Where did gravity come from that held it together?
If this "dot" spun rapidly until it exploded., then where did the energy come from to start the spinning?

Also, in an environment without friction you would have this spinning dot going so fast it would then explode. If this happened, then all of the particles and matter being expelled from this "spinning dot" would all have to spin in the same direction as the dot they exploded from.
This is a known law of science, which those who believe in Evolution cannot do away with. It is known as the Conservation of angular momentum.
This matter which is said to have created the planets would all need to spin in the same direction as the object it came from.



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So therefore, all of the planets should be spinning in the same direction.
However two of them are not. Venus and Uranus spin backwards.

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Some planets even have moons that not only spin backwards, but travel backward around their planets.



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The Big Bang theory also ignores the First law of Thermodynamics, which says:
"matter cannot be created or destroyed"
Those who believe in the Big Bang theory are also either unaware of, or ignore the "Second Law of Thermodynamics" which says:
"Everything tends towards disorder"
So rather than the chaos (big bang) becoming ordered (our universe), just the opposite would be true.. And it is. Our complex universe is wearing down, and becoming more chaotic...

Paul was aware of this when he wrote his letter to the Hebrews:
Everything ".. waxes old like a garment" (quoted in both Psalm 102:25-27, and also Hebrews 1:10-12).

"This verse "anticipates the famous second law of thermodynamics, or law of entropy, indicating that everything in the physical universe is growing old and wearing out. God created everything in the beginning, winding it up like a great clock, so to speak. Because of sin and the curse, however, it has been running down and "perishing" ever since. Jesus also said: "Heaven and earth shall pass away" (literally, "are passing away") (Matthew 24:35)" - Waxing Old, like a Garment by Henry Morris, Ph.D.



Things wear down. Nothing gets better by itself.
If I told you that thousands of pieces of timber were set in motion by a tornado in a lumberyard and this ultimately resulted in the amazing design and complexity of the house you live in, you would think this was absurd to say the very least.



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Yet in essence this is what the Big Bang theory teaches.

Now I know that anyone with kids might say that a tornado ripped through their room - but the tornado did not create their room. It only created the mess that is throughout the room. Will the mess ever get cleaned up? Yes, but it will not cleaned up by itself.
Even if millions of years of tornados did somehow randomly land in a complex pattern thus assembling your room, this would still not explain where the trees came from that were made into the lumber.
It would not explain who planted, or cut the trees, or even how the trees grew.
You see, such theories do not give an absolute answer of truth. They only serve to cause people to become distracted and lose sight of the larger picture of the Creator and who God is. Satan is a master of deception and distraction. He wants you to lose sight of Christ, and focus on impossible things.


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The Big Bang theory also teaches that in another 80 to 100 billion years, all of the matter that makes up our Earth and solar system will become compressed again, drawing in on itself and fold up once again into a tiny dot.

A Big Bang is said to occur every 80 to 100 billion years.
If the Big Bang theory is true, then I sure hope Jesus comes back soon, otherwise we’re all going to get squished!



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As absurd as the "Big Bang" theory is, it is widely accepted because the only other choice is a Divine Creator. And some people will believe the most ridiculous theory, rather than even entertaining the possibility that there could be a Creator.

As I see it, there are only 2 choices.
Either someone created the Earth,
or the Earth created itself..
(despite all the known Laws of Science saying it couldn't have happened this way).
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/bigbang.html
 
It seems this event should have taken place on 1st November. I can find no report whatsoever of it on line, though there are various references, either plugging it or simply referring to it, in advance.

This suggests to me it was not an event of any significance.

P.S. If you want a laugh, google "origin summit" and you will be taken to a creationist site with no content other than a cheesy paean of praise from some mad-looking woman with the kind of toothpaste rictus grin one sees only in the American Midwest.
 
Sounds like an obvious scam to try to convince people that MSU is sponsoring the event. And now the people who attend the conference will be able to say, "I went to MSU."
Well, I hope they get me a stupid T-shirt.

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