Dating of the Mahabharat War

kmguru

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Interesting article at:

http://www.saarang.net/modules.php?...e=article&sid=214&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Also excerpt:

Motilal Banarasidas News Letter October 1988 gives a news on page 6 under the heading "50,000 year old Relics" as follows:

Spectacular culture and physical relics dating back to 50,000 years BC have been excavated from the Central Narmada Valley in Madhya Pradesh. A team of Anthropological survey of India recently con- ducted the excavation. It explored sites in two districts Sebore and Hoshangabad.

In my book "Vastava Ramayan" I have shown the presence of culture in India as far back as 72000 years B.C. This recent news points to that ancient period. I am sure after some time Arecheaology may get evi- dence to show the presence of culture in India 72000 BC.

In Vastava Ramayan I have shown that Bali, the demon king went to south America during 17000 BC when the vernal equinox was at Moola Nakshatra. MLBD News letter Oct. 1988 gives a news thus :-"Dravidians in America" - According to a press report the Brazillian nuclear phy- sicist and researcher Arysio Nunes dos santos holds that the Dravi- dians of South India reached America much before Christopher Columbus.

Mr. Nunes dos Santos, of the' Federal University of Minas Gerais maintains that the Dravidians colonised a vast South American region 11000 years before the Europians reached the new world. Vestiges of the Dravidian presence in America, he says, include the strange phonetics of Gourani, Paraguay's national language. Moreover Bananas, Pine Apple, Cocunut and Cotton, all grown in India could have been taken to America by those navigators.
 
you have been making reference to this in a few of your posts. i did not pay attn until now! this is outrageously fascinating! this might be a related fact. the olmecs civ which was the precurser to the major civs in s america, were purported to be of african origin. lemme research what i can!(google!)

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No wonder here as the Bridge found is about 170,000 B.C old...so Krishna's time was probably much after...
interesting though...




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Maharshi Vyas has recorded in Mahabharat, Vana Parva (Chap.230, Verses 8-11), a dialoge between Indra and Skanda where-in it is stated that:

"Contesting against Abhijit (Vega), the constellation Krittika (Pliedes) went to "Vana" the Summer Solstice to heat the summer. Then the star Abhijit slipped down in the sky. At that time Dhanishta was given the first place in the list of Nakshatras. Rohini was also the first some time back. Now you decide what to do," said Indra.

This dialogue shows that when Indra went to Summer Solstice, Vega started falling down. Many scholars have ridiculed this idea of Star Falling; but now it is proved by modern astronomy that it was a true fact that 12,000 years B.C., Vega had really come down to the horizon from the heights of the sky, to become a pole star.

Krittikas were at the Summer Solstice between 21,800 and 20,840 years B.C. At this time Dhansishta was at the vernal equinox and hence was given the first place in the Nakshatras. From this period, the sages noticed the gradual fall of Abhijit. Falling steadily, it is assumed the position of the Celestial Pole at 12,000 B.C., when Indra met Skanda to think on the problem of time-reckoning. The story shows that the Indian sages were observing the stars and constellations at least from 23,000 years B.C.

Mahabharat: An Astronomical Proof from the Bhagavat Puraan

The Fall of Star Vega (Abhijit)
 
Precession of the Equinoxes

The Pole Star once was Thuban (3000 B.C.), the third star from the end of the tail in Draco. In a little more than 5,000 years from now, Alderamin, the brightest star in the constellation Cepheus, will be the Pole Star. About 7,000 years from now, Deneb, the brightest star in Cygnus, will be the Pole Star for a while. In about 12,000 years from now, Vega, the brightest star in Lyra, will be the Pole Star. Vega will be a brilliant Pole Star some six times brighter than Polaris. There are long periods when there is no Pole Star at all. At the present time there is no Pole Star in the southern sky.

(A slow wobble in the Earth's daily rotation causes the Earth's north pole to trace a circle among the stars every 26,000 years. Because of this motion, called precession, the star nearest the pole is not always the same)

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Also known as Alpha Lyrae, Vega is located within 25.3 light-years (ly) away from our Sun, Sol, as the brightest star in Constellation Lyra, the Lyre or Harp. Its name (more correctly "Wega") is derived from the Arabic for "Swooping Eagle" ("Al Nasr al Waki"). The star is the lower right member (18:36:56.34+38:47:01.29, ICRS 2000.0) of the "Summer Triangle" of first magnitude stars viewed from the northern hemisphere, formed with Altair (Alpha Aquilae) at the lower left, and Deneb (Alpha Cygni) at upper right. This zero-magnitude star is visible with the naked eye as the third brightest star after Sirius A and Arcturus in Earth's northern skies, and is fifth brightest star overall. Due to the slowly changing orientation of Earth's axis in space (which is also known as the Precession of the Equinoxes), Vega was the North Celestial Pole Star some 12,000 years ago and will be again in another 10,000 years.

Vega
 
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spookz,

u must be the only guy to effectively utlize the google in recent times...some time back google servers crashed i heard... must be because of u..:D
 
The present European calendar came into vogue around 7 A.D. India, since ancient times, has been following the lunar calendar. The Western calendar has undergone many variations and adjustments from time to time e.g., at one stage the first six months had 31 days each while the last six months were 30 days each.

Uptil the Mahabharat War the world had a single, unitary administration under Vedic sovereigns, which reckoned the day from sunrise to sunrise centering on India. Consequently, other regions of the world stuck to the Indian time schedule. Thus for instance, when the sun rose in India at around 5.30 am it used to be midnight hour in Britain. Therefore the Vedic administration in Britain calculated its date from midnight to midnight.

When in the course of time the world became divided into regional states resulting in mutual strife. The British ruled India for about 200 years uptil 1947 A.D. The midnight to midnight reckoning under British rule, emanated originally from the Indian sunrise time. Modern calculations based on that midnight time often result in a error of one or two years in timing.

Before proceeding to analyze the Mahabharat chronology let us first familiarize ourselves with the Vedic lunar calendar. In its cycle of 60 years, the names of successive years are :

http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/mahabharat/mahab_patnaik.html
 
Based on the astrological information provided by Veda Vyaasa (Position of the stars etc), Mahabharat war was estimated to have started on 3067B.C. on 22nd November. On the day of the war, the astrological positions of the Sun, Moon, Rahu, Saturn, Guru, Mangala and Sukra planets have been described by Vyaasa. By looking at the position based on Panchangam, Indian Calendar, and matching with the position of the stars described by Vyaas and comparing with the Julian Calendar, one can arrive at the precise dates for the war. Furthermore all other related incidents that took place before and after the war were described in Mahabhaarat, and the dates for these can be precisely matched with the Julian calendar, as discussed bellow.

Shrii Krishna made a last minute effort to make peace but failed. He left the Upaplaavya city on Kaartiika Shuddha Dvaadasi day in Revati Nakshatra (star) between 7:36 - 8:24AM. He reached Hastinaapura in Bharani Nakshatra, and had discussions with the Kouravaas till Pushyami Nakshatra. The day Duryodhana rejected the peace proposal was Krishna Pancami. Krishna left Hastinaapura, and had consultations with KarNa before he departed. (He revealed to KarNa that he was the eldest son of Kunti) on Uttara Palghuni day. Krishna informed KarNa that Duryodhana must get ready to fight, seventh day from that day, which will be Amaavaasya day (New-moon day) with JyeshTa Nakshatra. Krishna returned to Upaplaavya city on Chitta Nakshatra. Three days after that on Anuradha Nakshatra Balarama came to Upaplaavya. Next Pushya Nakshtra day Pandavaas left with Krishna to Kurukshetra.

Fifteen days after return from Upaplaavya city, Balarama left on Punarvasu Nakshatra on the tour of sacred places. (Balarama did not want to participate in the war that involved cousins on both sides). He returned to Kurukshetra after forty-two days in the ShravaNa Nakshatra. The war already started eighteen days back. On the nineteenth day, BahuLa Caturdashi day on ShravaNa Nakshatra, Duryodhana died. It was the fifty-ninth day after Amaavaasya with JyeshTaa Nakshatra.

Krishana returned from Hastinaapura after his unsuccessful peace mission on Uttara Palghuna day. Starting from that day, the seventh day is New-moon day (amaavaasya) with Saturn on Rohini Nakshatra as discussed by Vyaasa. Rahu was approaching the Sun, and the Moon was turning towards Amaavaasya (New-Moon day).

36 years after the Mahabharat war, Yaadava kula was destroyed. This was predicted by Krishana by astrological happening - "Rahu has compressed Purnima on Chaturdasi day. This happened once before the Mahabharata war and again will be happening soon and this will lead to our destruction". He remembered Gandhari's curse on the Yadava kula.

Astrologically a strange phenomenon occurred during the Mahabharata war.

The lunar cycle (paksha - normally is 15 days) sometimes happens in fourteen days. But during the Mahabharata war-time a rare thing happened - the paksha got compressed to 13 days. (May be 13 is a bad number). This aspect has been discussed in the Bhiishma parva - 3rd Adhyaaya. Guru and Shani are in Vaishaaka, Moon and the Sun entered in the same house one after the other making amaavaasya on the Trayodasi day it self . This peculiar condensation of the thithiis into thirteen from fifteen is a rare phenomenon as discussed by Vyaasa in Mahabharat and has inevitably followed by mass destruction due to war. This incident provided a direct means to establish the precise date of Mahabharat war.

According to Julian calendar this type of planetary collusion occurred definitely in 3076 BC in November. Vyaasa writes:

Caturdashiim panchadashiim
Bhuuta puurvamca shoodhashiim
Imaantu naabhi jaaneham
Amaavaasyaam trayodashiim
Chandra suurya bhougrastou
Ekamevam trayodashiim
AparvaNi grahaNe tou
Prajaa sakshapaishyataH||

"I have seen fourteen days a paksha, fifteen day completion or extension to sixteenth day also. This amaavaasya falling on the thirteenth day itself I have never seen before" - says Vyasa. That, on the same month Sun and Moon eclipses falling during the missing thitiies is a rare phenomenon, resulting in large-scale disaster to people.

One month before, in Margashira, during Purvaashhaada Nakshatra, armies of Pandavaas and Kouravaas have assembled on the West and the East sides of the Hiranya river, respectively. The next day was Navaraatri and Durga Puja day. Duryodhana was itching for the war. That evening Duryodhana sends a word with Sekuni's son Ulaka, " We have finished the prayer to the arms and everybody is ready - why there is further delay in starting the war?" The next day, Margashira Shudda Ekadashi day, in KRittika Nakshatra, the war started. Hence, the famous Bhagavad Geeta teaching also started on that day. The war began at 6:30 am. The date according to Julian calendar was 22nd November, 3067B.C.

Other notable incidences that occurred:

<li>Bhiishma's death:
Maagha Shuddha AshTami day in Rohini Nakshtra in the afternoon that 58th day after the war started, Bhiishma died. ( This is the actual death - He actually fell in the war on the 10th day after the war started).
<li>Sri Krishna's Birth - He was born on 3112B.C. on Friday at 11:40 PM.
<li>Pandavaas Birth - YudhishTara was born on August 31, 3114BC, Tuesday (Mangala Vaaram) Shudda Panchami JyeshhTaa Nakshatra - He was 696 days elder to Krishna.
<li>Bhiima was 347 days younger to YudhishTara. - Krishna Trayodashi, Makha Nakshatra, and Arjuana was 303 days younger to Bhiima. Shukla Chaturdashi Soma Vaaram (Monday) Uttara PhalguNi Nakshtra.
<li>When Pandavaas came to Hastinaapura after the death of their father Pandu, it was 3091BC and YudhishTara was 14years, 9 months and 11days old.
<li>When he was coranated by Bhiishma as a prince, YudhishTara was 20 years, 1 month and 26 days old. (November, 3094BC).
<li>They reached Varanasi in PalguNa Shuddha AshTami RohiNi Nakshtra.
<li>Droupadi's Swayamvaram -in 3091BC, April - to reach the Wax-house it took 10 days for Pandavaas. They stayed there for an year. After the burning of the wax-house, they spent six months in the Shaalihotraa's ashram and seven months in Ekachatra city.
<li>The second coronation and building of Indraprasta was in November 3091BC, seven months after the marriage.
<li>Rajasuuya yagna was performed after Arjuna's dig vijaya tour - It took five years and six months for Arjuna. Subhadra's marriage was in April 3084BC. Three months after that was Khadava vana dahanam.
<li>Abhimanyu was born in 3083BC, February.
<li>Kaliyugam started in 3105BC, October 13th, Amaavaasya Mangala (Tuesday) JyeshaTa Nakshatra - Kali was born. This was the most inauspicious day.
<li>The next Pournima day (Full-moon day) was full eclipse of the Moon, October 1, 3104BC. That was the day, when the five grahaas along with moon were in DhanishTaa Nakshatra.
vDharmajaa's Rajasuuya - Fifteen years before the Mahabharata war was the Rajasuuya yagna of Dharmaja. That day was amaavaasya (new-moon day) JyeshTa Muula nakshtra . YudhishTara shakam started in 3082BC, October 26th . The gambling and the banishment of Pandavaas to forest was in November 3081BC, Margashira shukla-Trayodashi.
<li>Vanavaasam was 12 years and living incognito was for one year (13 lunar years + 5 lunar months + 12 days or 13 solar years plus 18 days) - Bhiimshma calculates and declares that Dhurodhana's calculations were wrong.
<li>AJNaata vaasam (living incognito) began in Margashira 3069BC. Arjuna was noticed on Margashira Krishna Navami, 3068BC.
<li>The Great war began on 3067BC, Friday 22nd November, Margashira shudda ekadashi Nakshatra.
<li>The war lasted for 18 days.
<li>Dharmaraju ruled for only 36 years.
<li>25years later YudhishTara shaka started. (Thursday October 26th).
<li>Fifteen years after Dharmaja rule started, Dhutaraashtra, Gandhaari, Vidura, Kunti and Sanjaya left for Vaanaprasta (forest living). That year itself Vidura performed praayopavesham.
<li>Two years after that Dhrutaraashtra, Gandhaari and Kunti got caught in the forest fire and died.
<li>Sanjaya was only left.
<li>Shrii Krishna passed away on 3031BC, April 13th Friday.
<li>Pandavaas Maahaa Prastaanam was in 3031BC, in November.
<li>These are the dates that matched the Indian astrological description of the stars and the moon, and Julian Calendar predictions.
<li>There is so much self consistency in all the events and the descriptions that it makes one to wonder. Based on these exact information Mahabhaarat must be Five thousand years Old (from today) as per the historical accounting.

The analysis is extremely precise and scientific, matching the astrological position of the Indian and the Julian Calendars.

The beauty and the scientific psychoanalysis of Bhagavad Geeta stand out as monumental contribution by the Mahabharat period to the mankind. Based on the above facts the historicity of Mahabharat cannot be questioned.

http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0003/ET20-5717.html
 
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Originally posted by spookz

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Bhiima was 347 days younger to YudhishTara. - Krishna Trayodashi, Makha Nakshatra, and Arjuana was 303 days younger to Bhiima. Shukla Chaturdashi Soma Vaaram (Monday) Uttara PhalguNi Nakshtra.
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The beauty and the scientific psychoanalysis of Bhagavad Geeta stand out as monumental contribution by the Mahabharat period to the mankind. Based on the above facts the historicity of Mahabharat cannot be questioned.

If Pandavas, Yhdhistra, Bhimji, Arjun were born to different celestial (Yama, Vayu and Indra respectively) as a blessing why the duration between their births was around 10/11 months..! Does that mean Kunti the great(?!) really physically carried them..! Myth says differently. (Karna born out immediately and sent off at the earliest possible)

Is Gita reliable since it was written by Vysa as Sanjaya tells Thridhrashtra thro' vision. Only Arjun could tell what Krishna actually told him..

These are doubts.. not to hurt or challenge the faith..
 
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Could that be due to Total Recall - something we are working on to improve genetically like a biocomputer.....something to thing about.
 
Originally posted by everneo
If Pandavas, Yhdhistra, Bhimji, Arjun were born to different celestial (Yama, Vayu and Indra respectively) as a blessing why the duration between their births was around 10/11 months..! Does that mean Kunti the great(?!) really physically carried them..! Myth says differently. (Karna born out immediately and sent off at the earliest possible)

Is Gita reliable since it was written by Vysa as Sanjaya tells Thridhrashtra thro' vision. Only Arjun could tell what Krishna actually told him..

These are doubts.. not to hurt or challenge the faith..

have no real idea about this shit. i hope raj visits us again.

voice your doubts. find the biggest rock and throw it. if it dents, that is good, if it shatters, that is even better. if it withstands the assault, lucky followers!
 
Embelishment is human nature. People cann't keep their story straight in 10 years, and you expect them to keep it in 7000 years?

Mahabharat is fairly consistent as long as one looks at the same version. Copies have a tendency to wander off between the copies yet keep their consistency within the release. Go figure...
 
But who's to say that any one version is the "right" one? I guess that we go along with the one that's most right ...
 
Well, we do need to dig...dig...and ...dig...to get some hard evidence. I hope we find them in the next few years...
 
In view of the astronomical correlation presented on the above postings, the dating of MahaBhrata War around 5500 BC seems to be very much possible.

With Regards...
 
the ramayana

there is a view among some old sadhus in india, that california was previously part of lanka, the part south of sri lanka. lanka was a huge land mass, part of which got drowned, and part of whose land mass got separated during the battle between rama and ravana (where brahmastras - equivalent to our modern nuclear weapons were used). lanka was called the land of gold, also california had mountains of gold.

also if you see some of the old practices of the red indians, you will find similar references to those practices being used in india. at the time of ramayana, the sun was considered a god, and there's a mythological story about ravana defeating the sun god and stealing all the astrology texts and distributing them to the general public. interesting to note that there are no references to astrology before the time of ramayana.

you will note that the astrological methods of red indians are similar to those of ancient dravidians.

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Originally posted by everneo
If Pandavas, Yhdhistra, Bhimji, Arjun were born to different celestial (Yama, Vayu and Indra respectively) as a blessing why the duration between their births was around 10/11 months..! Does that mean Kunti the great(?!) really physically carried them..! Myth says differently. (Karna born out immediately and sent off at the earliest possible)

Is Gita reliable since it was written by Vysa as Sanjaya tells Thridhrashtra thro' vision. Only Arjun could tell what Krishna actually told him..

These are doubts.. not to hurt or challenge the faith..

who told you that karna was born immediately ?

yes, kunti physically carried all her children.

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700 million years ago Noth America was connected to South America. India stayed connected to Australia as late as 150 million years ago.

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