Deadly shooting at US university

John:
This guy got a pass not many peole get.
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Does having an education necessarily make you happier? Don't they say that the educated and intelligent are generally more miserable?

There are numerous examples of the educated and rich blowing their brains out, overdosing, or throwing them out of the 10th story window. Hell, intelligent Japanese students have group suicides.

You can't just wave your hands and say: "Oh, they had it better than people in other parts of the world, so why couldn't these nancies just suck it up? Stiff upper lip and all that, WOT WOT!" Such callousness won't solve these problems which are rife in society. Some people CAN'T suck it up, and until this problem is addressed, people like Cho will keep killing.

It's just mind boggling that we spend billions on technological advancements, and neglect social development. Many pointless classes are given in high school, yet not one minute is devoted to an education in social interactions.

Bells:
I did. Then I made the painful discovery that snorting with laughter while drinking orange juice is actually quite painful.
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Yes. Not being taken seriously is a factor that may to lead to psychosis. No wonder Cho went off the deep end.

In the end, the individual is the product of his genetics, and his environment. One type of environment every human being is exposed to is society.

Hence it logically follows that Cho's failure as a happy, productive human being is also reflective of our society's failure to mold him into one. No doubt Cho had some sort of genetic abnormality, and/or horrendous past experience/s, which made him perceive and react differently to environmental stimuli. His actions were probably exacerbated by the callous behaviour of society. And, yes, society is inherently callous and selfish. I know this from personal experience, and from the experience of my close friends.

Society's failure to detect Cho's abnormalities, treat them, and accommodate for them, has resulted in disaster for all concerned.
 
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Yes. Not being taken seriously is a factor that may to lead to psychosis. No wonder Cho went off the deep end.

In the end, the individual is the product of his genetics, and his environment. One type of environment every human being is exposed to is society.

Hence it logically follows that Cho's failure as a happy, productive human being is also reflective of our society's failure to mold him into one. No doubt Cho had some sort of genetic abnormality, and/or horrendous past experience/s, which made him perceive and react differently to environmental stimuli. His actions were probably exacerbated by the callous behaviour of society. And, yes, society is inherently callous and selfish. I know this from personal experience, and from the experience of my close friends.
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Society's failure to detect Cho's abnormalities, treat them, and accommodate for them, has resulted in disaster for all concerned.
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Pure unadulterated bull shit!, We have a society that is bending over backwards not to offend these people, we have laws that protect them from receiving treatment, we have laws that make it illegal to keep them in custody and treatment, we have laws that mainstream them into the school system, and what has it accomplished? getting our children killed when they loose control of themselves, and you want us to understand them? how about the fact that they are not mentally stable so there is no understanding their demented view of the world that they live in, the fact that there were people who did reach out to Cho, and he played head games with them and continued down he self centered path to self destruction and didn't have the courtesy to quit this world by him self, he had to take his demented self absorbed selfish tantrum out on INNOCENT people to satisfy his selfish need for self justification.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
mountainhare





Pure unadulterated bull shit!, We have a society that is bending over backwards not to offend these people, we have laws that protect them from receiving treatment, we have laws that make it illegal to keep them in custody and treatment, we have laws that mainstream them into the school system, and what has it accomplished? getting our children killed when they loose control of themselves, and you want us to understand them? how about the fact that they are not mentally stable so there is no understanding their demented view of the world that they live in, the fact that there were people who did reach out to Cho, and he played head games with them and continued down he self centered path to self destruction and didn't have the courtesy to quit this world by him self, he had to take his demented self absorbed selfish tantrum out on INNOCENT people to satisfy his selfish need for self justification.
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You're wrong. People with physical disabilites are treated well. People with mental disabilities are ostracized, mocked, stigmatized, and mistreated on an everyday basis throughout their lives by making fun, being impatient, or even worse trying to confuse them even more than they already are.

I agree they should not be put into mainstream schools, it just aggravates their disorder and is more damaging. They need to be put into a special needs school where they can receive treatment.
 
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Buffalo Roam said:
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Then why was he not in treatment, in a institution, instead of being main streamed into daily classes?
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Evidently the sytem failed but this incidence should motivate them.

Also his parents may not have taken his disability serious enough. They were busy with their business but they didn't seem to care much for him. Some families are ashamed of their own children with disabilities even trying to deny it or minimize it's problem. There is probably more than one reason. Also, the extent of his emotional turmoil was more than likely contributed by his family's neglect. They may not have loved him much either, they never even visited, made phone calls etc. We will never know everything that happened behind closed doors but we do know he should not have been in mainstream school.

You don't treat all cases the same. When he was a child, he didn't need to be locked up in some institution in a straight jacket, that's just wrong. He didn't become this way overnight. He needed to be in a special needs school that addressed his problems.
 
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peta9

That is the problem the system always fails, and with the bleeding heart liberals worried about the more about the rights of Cho Seung-hui to have privacy, and the right to be main streamed into classes, than the lives of the students that Cho Seung-hui killed, it will always fail.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
peta9

That is the problem the system always fails, and with the bleeding heart liberals worried about the more about the rights of Cho Seung-hui to have privacy, and the right to be main streamed into classes, than the lives of the students that Cho Seung-hui killed, it will always fail.
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i don't agree the conservatives care that much either, would they care about the needs of someone with a disability such as Cho or do they prefer to lock people like this away and pretend they don't exist. There needs to be a humane balance and real issues addressed not just one-sided partial bigotry.

There are mistakes everywhere in this situation.
 
peta9

i don't agree the conservatives care that much either, would they care about the needs of someone with a disability such as Cho or do they prefer to lock people like this away and pretend they don't exist. There needs to be a humane balance and real issues addressed not just one-sided partial bigotry
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Fallacy of logic, No we don't want him locked away and forgotten, but we don't want him turned loose into society unless and until he is safe to return to society, the way the liberals, and it seems that you are a liberals, do thing you demand that they be given their right even when it is apparent that they are not responsible for their action, and put them back into society and the class room, and then want everyone to adjust their lives so as not to set off a their unstable personality, and then blame everyone else except the liberals who demand that he have his freedom at the expense of the lives of our friends and children.
 
then blame everyone else except the liberals who demand that he have his freedom at the expense of the lives of our friends and children.
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Fallacy of logic? Your rant was a perfect example because I never said any of those things and you contradict yourself trying to reconcile your hypocritical conscience.

You try to hide your prejudice but it's apparent. You have the same selfish mindframe of the typical conservative.

You also pretend that all of Cho's problems were due to his "mental" problems and not contributed by the "mental" and "sociopathic" qualities of the society he lives in.

Stop playing innocent and that these jerks in mainstream school are not psycopaths and sociopaths, they are just happy nutcases.

You actually don't want society to have to make room for people like this which only requires simple, decent human behavior. Children taunting and mistreating those who are different are "sociopathic." I'll repeat it again, "sociopathic." It's a negative coping mechanism. But they are not called on it and it is allowed to continue.

With that said, I don't think someone like Cho should have been mainstreamed into school. Just because someone like cho has a disability doesn't mean they start off suicidal or homicidal.
 
peta9

i don't agree the conservatives care that much either, would they care about the needs of someone with a disability such as Cho or do they prefer to lock people like this away and pretend they don't exist. There needs to be a humane balance and real issues addressed not just one-sided partial bigotry.
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Don't you just try making a point that Conservative don't care? and that we want them locked away and forgotten about? So were is the Fallacy in my argument?, Who were the people who in the 60tys who lead the charge to release these people because it was a violation of their civil right to keep them in a facility for treatment of their disorders? Who passed laws that protected the privacy of these people medical records so as to keep them from the families, and authorities when they had serious mental problems, so they wouldn't have access to weapons? Who lead the charge to make it illegal to force them to be on medication for mental disorders because it violated their freedom of choice to have to take the drugs that helped them?
It was bleeding heart liberals like you, and now the people who bleed are the innocent.
 
GeoffP said:
That the insane should be forced to take their meds.
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And what should we do about the autistic and the those with mental retardation?

Perhaps we can decide their fates as well?

Maybe have a cutoff IQ for those who should be allowed to roam unrestricted in society?

Or a social IQ test to determine social isolation and institutionalisation?

Or just abort any "imperfect people"?
 
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Buffalo Roam said:
peta9



Don't you just try making a point that Conservative don't care? and that we want them locked away and forgotten about? So were is the Fallacy in my argument?, Who were the people who in the 60tys who lead the charge to release these people because it was a violation of their civil right to keep them in a facility for treatment of their disorders? Who passed laws that protected the privacy of these people medical records so as to keep them from the families, and authorities when they had serious mental problems, so they wouldn't have access to weapons? Who lead the charge to make it illegal to force them to be on medication for mental disorders because it violated their freedom of choice to have to take the drugs that helped them?
It was bleeding heart liberals like you, and now the people who bleed are the innocent.
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You are prejudcial. I never said there weren't problems. I admitted that, you tried to put all the blame on the "liberals." And I told you I don't buy it. There were atrocious violations done in these institutions and the prejudice and inhumane treatment of those with disabilities is inexcusable. Not everyone needs to be locked up in an institution. I'm tired of repeating it back to you. There is more than one way to treat and address peoples problems. You pretend these school shootings are happening everyday.

Well, I got news for you. People are killing theirr wives, husbands, children and neighbors, beating them, drowning them, verbally and physically abusing them, committing adultery, neglecting their children, being racist, being prejudiced, spreading hate ad nauseum. By the way, there is no one innocent.

I suggest you turn on the news and realize that these "crazy" people are you and I and possibly everyone else. Where the trigger is, no one knows until it happens.

Reality is an eye opener, ain't it? Good day
 
draqon said:
Meanwhile those who receive antidepressants are the ones that come to conclusion to tie it up with this world. Because after a while they begin not to take those antidepressants, which leads to even more psychological downfall.
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Wrong. The problem is that normally, when you're depressed, you don't want to do anything. You just sleep, watch TV, and vegetate.

Now, give a depressed person an anti-depressent. He still has all the problems he had before, but now he's not depressed. Now he's ready to take action. Sometimes, that action is a shooting spree.
 
Americans are ridiculously materialistic people,
in the case of a psychological problem the first treatment almost always is a drug,
not compassion, friendship, joy, love.

A lot easier to give a pill, yes?
 
Avatar said:
Americans are ridiculously materialistic people,
in the case of a psychological problem the first treatment almost always is a drug,
not compassion, friendship, joy, love.

A lot easier to give a pill, yes?
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When you say support system they hear institution.
 
samcdkey said:
Or just abort any "imperfect people"?
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Not abort, control and monitor.


Thousands are stricken with mental illnesses that hinder their ability to distinguish right from wrong. Is it their fault? No. But should they be free to avoid medication/treatment that could help grow or restore that ability, while having the freedom to commit crimes and claim "they didn't know what they were doing?" No.
 
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