Deadly shooting at US university
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Notice how I said medication/treatment
Yes, pills are given out like candy these days, and not all things are curable by ingesting a pill. but their certainley are dozens that are. And for those that aren't, careful monitoring and treatment through ways other than pills can be an effective way to limit the danger that people with certain degrees of varying illnesses pose to society.
yes certain things can be debated as right or wrong
but the slaying of 30+ people?
I think we can agree that it is wrong. Anyone who thinks it's not has some mental issues to address
Support is not about monitoring or treatment. As Avatar said, it is about friendship, happiness and love.
And one of the forms of treatment I was referring to was putting them in the care of someone who will give them those things.
Buffalo Roam
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peta9
Welcome to humanity, so what is new? we still have to live, and taking responsibility for our own lives is a big step towards cleaning up these problems, if you talk to everyone of those types that you mentioned, you will find that their excuse will be that some one else forced them to do what they are doing, my wife made me mad, my child need it to control them, I was teaching them a lesson that they deserved, my wife don't love me any more, she don't fulfill my needs, they are the one who are different, in ever case Chos included it is always the victims fault, and you are singing in Chos Choir with your wanting us to understand his reasons, and that we should have done more to reach out and help him, now tell me how to understand a man whose thought process isn't based in reality?
Welcome to humanity, so what is new? we still have to live, and taking responsibility for our own lives is a big step towards cleaning up these problems, if you talk to everyone of those types that you mentioned, you will find that their excuse will be that some one else forced them to do what they are doing, my wife made me mad, my child need it to control them, I was teaching them a lesson that they deserved, my wife don't love me any more, she don't fulfill my needs, they are the one who are different, in ever case Chos included it is always the victims fault, and you are singing in Chos Choir with your wanting us to understand his reasons, and that we should have done more to reach out and help him, now tell me how to understand a man whose thought process isn't based in reality?
Its like you lack the ability to even comprehend the concept. Sad.
Can you stop thinking of it as the "others" problem and see it as an "our" problem?
I'd really enjoy to hear by what logic you came to that conclusion. Please spare the patrionizing dear
It sounds like the logic by which people put their parents in institutions these days.
Its like you lack the ability to even comprehend the concept. Sad.
Can you stop thinking of it as the "others" problem and see it as an "our" problem?
I never did. If I thought it was their problem I'd merely say " Take all the nutters and leave on an Island. Let em kill eachother and take the winner back home. Bound to be some good in him to last that long."
But by saying we should put them in the care of those who will shower them in the affection and friendship they need to live productively I include us "normal" people in the solution.
People do that because they are sick of caring for them or lack the resources to do it adaquetly. It's a completely different situation.
Its the same logic.
Put the problem where you don't have to be personally involved or responsible. Or its way too much interference with YOUR life.
Buffalo Roam
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samcdkey
And what about people who don't respond, and won't respond, it seem that was Cho, he was put in treatment, and as soon as possible he dropped out, he was mentored by the head of the Department, and played head games, and as soon as he was out of her sight reverted back to form, there are people who revel in self pity, and no matter what blame everyone else in their paranoia for their problems, so tell me how you would have saved him?
And what about people who don't respond, and won't respond, it seem that was Cho, he was put in treatment, and as soon as possible he dropped out, he was mentored by the head of the Department, and played head games, and as soon as he was out of her sight reverted back to form, there are people who revel in self pity, and no matter what blame everyone else in their paranoia for their problems, so tell me how you would have saved him?
So who are "those" that will shower them with TLC?
Even the shampoo ad is about competition between dumb blondes and boring brunettes.
You cannot build a cooperative society when everyone is trying to reach the top only by stepping on others.
And when this is considered an admirable trait that should serve as a role model.
Alec Baldwin even cannot talk to his daughter without making it a national issue.
Well thats fine and dandy but has no bearing on what I suggested. I said put them in the care of those who could do it correctly. Of course no person should be forced to constantly care for another person. Look at the spouses of vegetables. Most divorce or say pull the tube because its so mentally/physically draining. But in a facility or a clinic where numerous people could handle the burden, someone with a menal illness could thrive and be a good person, not a threat.
There is a girl at my school who is confined to a wheelchair. her arms are deformed and she can only move one of them. Though her parents love her and pay for expensive care and operations, they can't be there all the time. so they hired "Mrs. G" A woman who follows her all around school, grabbing things, eating lunch ect ect. Does that mean that the parents don't like their kid? Hell no, but they lack the means to both provide AND care for their daughter 24/7. So they make the correct parental choice and hire someone who CAN.
THOSE are certified professionals. Doctors, phyciatrist, therapists, and the like.
where in my response did I mention a dog eat dog society?
Then you're talking about treatment, not support.
All health professionals are trained to be objective and unemotional in treating their patients.
Anything else is considered an abuse of their position and is unethical.
Are professionals physically unable to provide support now?