Declassing Cannabis from a drug ?

[Mark Turner]

The link I gave links to several studies.

I think you're confused.

Maybe !

Perhaps my mind has fatigue , I've been working it hard lately and it is possible I haven't give it my full focus .

I'll have to regroup my thoughts and maybe reply tomorrow if I've the time.

I can't believe cannabis is a bad thing without evidence , I think people jest maybe.

 

[spidergoat]

In what way do you agree with law reform ?

Full legalization, as exists where I live. Amnesty for all pot related crimes. Medical permits for those who need it (reduced taxes, larger quantities permissible).

 

[Mark Turner]

Full legalization, as exists where I live. Amnesty for all pot related crimes. Medical permits for those who need it (reduced taxes, larger quantities permissible).

There is no objective reason to why not ...

 

[dumbest man on earth]

There is no objective reason to why not ...

I would expect that Carl Sagan would possibly concur with your sentiments, as it seems he did Fifty years ago.

 

[Mark Turner]

I would expect that Carl Sagan would possibly concur with your sentiments, as it seems he did Fifty years ago.

Sitting in the shadow of a tree on a sun shining day , thinking about the world in an euphoric way ,
Things seem different yet so marvelously strange ,
Cannabis sensation taking away my life's pain ,
Normal life seemingly so mundane ,
Who's to blame for there is no guilt ,
As I sit here watching seasons wilt .

 

[Michael 345]

Like any product there is risk factors to consider , always in an objective unbiased manner .

With smoking the smoke (not the addictive stuff) causing the cancers

So do you expect cancers to go down? from smoking pot as against tobacco???

 

[Mark Turner]

Well

With smoking the smoke (not the addictive stuff) causing the cancers

So do you expect cancers to go down? from smoking pot as against tobacco???

Is pot related to cancer in anyway ?

I'd suggest ingesting pot , perhaps made available in drink form . An equivalent to alcohol perhaps that we could control the strengths of as we do with alcohol .
Cannabis has a variety of strains , control of the strength of the product would control excessive stoned .

 

[Michael 345]

Is pot related to cancer in anyway ?

That's my question

Not pot as such, the smoke

Eating it - no idea

Not really kept up with a lot of medical stuff since retired

Since I don't do anything on the scene thought those who are on the scene might know more

Sucking on a burning substance, pot or tobacco, always seemed strange to me

Even without checking smoke in the lungs, at face value, would seem to be unhealthy

Perhaps will check later

 

[sculptor]

mostly, it seems to be about the cilia
too much of any smoke ain't good for them
however, short term cannabis smoke seems to enliven the cilia while tobacco smoke seems to put them to sleep, so
it seems that if one smokes tobacco, smoking a little cannabis may be a good thing? (I got this from a young doctor during my last hospitalization)

 

[Mark Turner]

mostly, it seems to be about the cilia
too much of any smoke ain't good for them
however, short term cannabis smoke seems to enliven the cilia while tobacco smoke seems to put them to sleep, so
it seems that if one smokes tobacco, smoking a little cannabis may be a good thing? (I got this from a young doctor during my last hospitalization)

A small peace pipe of Cannabis isn't too bad on the lungs , a small dose .
Bongs can be harsh and are lung burners .
Cannabis vapes are like sucking on flavoured air and probably the best , safest inhaled method .

 

[dumbest man on earth]

Cannabis vapes are like sucking on flavoured air and probably the best , safest inhaled method

Not so sure that you should be too sure about that.
https://www.healthline.com/health-n...our-lungs-than-you-think#Fogging-up-the-facts
" Fogging up the facts
The selling points of the “safety” of e-liquids have been that the products contain relatively few ingredients and, of the ingredients used, many are on the FDA’s Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS) listTrusted Source.
E-liquids are generally made from a combination of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin. This forms the liquid base to which additional additives such as flavorings and nicotine are added.
And the proof is in the pudding, or in this case, the pudding-flavored vape juice.

Aldehydes, organic components often associated with aromas (such as those of berries), and other additives used for flavoring on the GRAS list are understood to be safe for food — not smoking or vaping.
Yet e-liquids are rife with themTrusted Source: cinnamaldehyde imparts the sweet spicy taste of cinnamon; vanillin for vanilla notes; and benzaldehyde is the unmistakable taste of almonds. Other common flavoring elements such as diacetyl give a creamy or buttery depth to e-liquids.
Previous studies have looked at the effects of these ingredients when subjected to heat or vaporization and found that they can cause the formation of formaldehyde and other cancer-causing chemicals, in addition to causing irritation and inflammation of the lungs.
Now new research says that the chemicals could begin to react, forming unknown byproducts as soon as the e-liquid is mixed.

“It’s entirely possible that there may be tens or even potentially hundreds of compounds forming and we just don’t know much about them,” Sven-Eric Jordt, PhD, professor of anesthesiology, pharmacology, and cancer biology at Duke University School of Medicine.

Jordt is a co-author on a new studyTrusted Source that suggests the problem of understanding the simple question of what is in e-liquids is far more complex than it seems, or at least, how it’s being marketed.

“It’s known that these flavors, especially the aldehydes there, are quite reactive. They can form adducts, reaction products, with the solvents,” Jordt told Healthline. “We found that a large proportion, sometimes forty-percent or more of the flavor, is reacting with the solvent after mixing. After a few hours, a quite large proportion of the flavor is converted into these reaction products.”

The reactivity of e-liquids not only makes clear labeling of ingredients more difficult from a regulatory perspective, it also makes it harder to know what effects the unknown byproducts will have on the lungs and body when vaporized.

Chemical reactions are occurring in these products literally as they sit in a bottle waiting to be sold.

“These liquids are unstable, you don’t even need to heat them or oxidize them or do something to them to form chemical reaction products,” said Jordt.

And these byproducts are making their way into the lungs of those who vape. "
https://www.healthline.com/health-n...our-lungs-than-you-think#Fogging-up-the-facts

I would expect that Carl Sagan, if he were still with us, would prefer NOT to vape.

 

[Mark Turner]

Not so sure that you should be too sure about that.
https://www.healthline.com/health-n...our-lungs-than-you-think#Fogging-up-the-facts
" Fogging up the facts
The selling points of the “safety” of e-liquids have been that the products contain relatively few ingredients and, of the ingredients used, many are on the FDA’s Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS) listTrusted Source.
E-liquids are generally made from a combination of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin. This forms the liquid base to which additional additives such as flavorings and nicotine are added.
And the proof is in the pudding, or in this case, the pudding-flavored vape juice.

Aldehydes, organic components often associated with aromas (such as those of berries), and other additives used for flavoring on the GRAS list are understood to be safe for food — not smoking or vaping.
Yet e-liquids are rife with themTrusted Source: cinnamaldehyde imparts the sweet spicy taste of cinnamon; vanillin for vanilla notes; and benzaldehyde is the unmistakable taste of almonds. Other common flavoring elements such as diacetyl give a creamy or buttery depth to e-liquids.
Previous studies have looked at the effects of these ingredients when subjected to heat or vaporization and found that they can cause the formation of formaldehyde and other cancer-causing chemicals, in addition to causing irritation and inflammation of the lungs.
Now new research says that the chemicals could begin to react, forming unknown byproducts as soon as the e-liquid is mixed.

“It’s entirely possible that there may be tens or even potentially hundreds of compounds forming and we just don’t know much about them,” Sven-Eric Jordt, PhD, professor of anesthesiology, pharmacology, and cancer biology at Duke University School of Medicine.

Jordt is a co-author on a new studyTrusted Source that suggests the problem of understanding the simple question of what is in e-liquids is far more complex than it seems, or at least, how it’s being marketed.

“It’s known that these flavors, especially the aldehydes there, are quite reactive. They can form adducts, reaction products, with the solvents,” Jordt told Healthline. “We found that a large proportion, sometimes forty-percent or more of the flavor, is reacting with the solvent after mixing. After a few hours, a quite large proportion of the flavor is converted into these reaction products.”

The reactivity of e-liquids not only makes clear labeling of ingredients more difficult from a regulatory perspective, it also makes it harder to know what effects the unknown byproducts will have on the lungs and body when vaporized.

Chemical reactions are occurring in these products literally as they sit in a bottle waiting to be sold.

“These liquids are unstable, you don’t even need to heat them or oxidize them or do something to them to form chemical reaction products,” said Jordt.

And these byproducts are making their way into the lungs of those who vape. "
https://www.healthline.com/health-n...our-lungs-than-you-think#Fogging-up-the-facts

I would expect that Carl Sagan, if he were still with us, would prefer NOT to vape.

Cannabis vapes don't use a liquid , they heat the Cannabis that gives off vapour .

Pretty clean and safe , no smoke .

 

[dumbest man on earth]

Cannabis vapes don't use a liquid , they heat the Cannabis that gives off vapour .

Pretty clean and safe , no smoke .

Earlier you Posted :

Cannabis vapes are like sucking on flavoured air and probably the best , safest inhaled method

Note that you Posted "Cannabis vapes are like sucking on flavoured air".
If "Cannabis vapes don't use a liquid", what media is used to cause it to be "like sucking on flavoured air "?

Like I said previously, I would expect that Carl Sagan, if he were still with us, would prefer NOT to vape, as you described it in your Post #70.

 

[paddoboy]

My argument is simple. It is a drug and we have enough drugs already legalised.
to suit our fancy. I don't believe legalising anymore will benefit anyone.
By the same token what you do behind closed doors is your business, as long as that doesn't affect me.

 

[Mark Turner]

Earlier you Posted :


Note that you Posted "Cannabis vapes are like sucking on flavoured air".
If "Cannabis vapes don't use a liquid", what media is used to cause it to be "like sucking on flavoured air "?

Like I said previously, I would expect that Carl Sagan, if he were still with us, would prefer NOT to vape.

I think air is the medium sucked in through the vents then inhaled through the mouth piece . All an invisible process , not like smoke or liquid vapes , nothing seems to come out when exhaled .

 

[spidergoat]

Cannabis oil is not at all like nicotine vape liquid.

 

[Beaconator]

Where do I sign up for these experiments?

How long until I get paid to try these possibly destructive chemicals?

 

[Write4U]

My argument is simple. It is a drug and we have enough drugs already legalised to suit our fancy. I don't believe legalising anymore will benefit anyone.
By the same token what you do behind closed doors is your business, as long as that doesn't affect me.

I agree in principle. But as long as a sizable portion of your taxes go to fight the "war against marijuana", I consider it a waste of time and resources spent on a harmless and demonstrated beneficial crop cultivation and use of the properties of marijuana for both recreational as well as medicinal purposes found in this remarkably useful plant.

note : I am against the uncontrolled use of Schedule I drugs, except marijuana.

Marijuana falls into Schedule I !!!
The Controlled Substances Act was passed in 1970, at a time when there was a “war on drugs” and the concept of zero tolerance and pot as a gateway drug was mainstream thinking.

One of the many unintended consequences of slotting marijuana into Schedule I was the restrictions it placed on the ability to conduct research to discover if and what are the “medicinal” properties of marijuana and what are the dangers. Without good, or even reasonable quality research, the discussions of legalizing marijuana are based on opinion, not fact. MedShadow discusses the unreasonable requirements put on marijuana researchers in this video.

Other Schedule I drugs are: heroin, LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide), marijuana (cannabis), peyote, methaqualone, and Ecstasy (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine).

https://medshadow.org/drug-classifications-schedule-ii-iii-iv-v/

Marijuana does not belong in this Schedule and its enforcement as a "dangerous" drug is a persistent infringement on personal rights, IMO.

https://medshadow.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/DrugSchedules.pdf

 

[Write4U]

Even without checking smoke in the lungs, at face value, would seem to be unhealthy

Well, that depends.

How Aromatherapy Works,
Experts think aromatherapy activates areas in your nose called smell receptors, which send messages through your nervous system to your brain.

https://www.webmd.com/balance/stress-management/aromatherapy-overview#1

Seems to me that just burning marijuana and inhaling the smoke would be no more damaging than sitting around a campfire. Perhaps the carbons in the smoke?

As I understand it, it's primarily the heat of hastily inhaled smoke which destroys the cells in the lungs as well as along the way down. Apparently it may run as hot as 500 F unless otherwise filtered.

I have experienced what is called a "contact high" (secondary exposure) while visiting a friend and it was a rather pleasant and comforting experience.....animated conversation.....

 

[Michael 345]

Well, that depends. https://www.webmd.com/balance/stress-management/aromatherapy-overview#1

Seems to me that just burning marijuana and inhaling the smoke would be no more damaging than sitting around a campfire. Perhaps the carbons in the smoke?

As I understand it, it's primarily the heat of hastily inhaled smoke which destroys the cells in the lungs as well as along the way down. Apparently it may run as hot as 500 F unless otherwise filtered.

I have experienced what is called a "contact high" (secondary exposure) while visiting a friend and it was a rather pleasant and comforting experience.....animated conversation.....

I don't follow much medical stuff since retired

One article I did read, did not keep link, was about vapeing and lungs being scalded

And then just as they seemed to be gaining a decrease in young smokers the vapers are taking up the habit

I sometimes despair

Don't make anything drug related illegal and let Darwin sort it out