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Buddha never claimed to be God. Moses never claimed to be Jehovah. Mohammed never claimed to be Allah. Yet Jesus Christ claimed to be the true and living God.

Buddha simply said, "I am a teacher in search of the truth."

Jesus said, "I am the Truth."

Confucius said, "I never claimed to be holy."

Jesus said, "Who convicts me of sin?"

Mohammed said, "Unless God throws his cloak of mercy over me, I have no hope."

Jesus said, "Unless you believe in me, you will die in your sins."
 
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... Jesus Christ claimed to be the true and living God...
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Actually, No, Jesus NEVER claimed to be God.

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We have nothing that was written by Jesus. We have some stories written ABOUT Jesus, many years after Jesus died, but we have no document where Jesus claimed to be God.

What we do have is a society that was starting to enjoy fiction as a form of literature, and one of the most popular words was The Book of Enoch, where an OT hero was elevated to the status of angel and given a title, The Son of Man.

Anyone familiar with the Book of Enoch would have recognized that Jesus is quoting from it, not making a claim about himself.

Matthew 16:27
'For, the Son of Man is about to come in the glory of his Father, with his messengers, and then he will reward each, according to his work.

Matthew 16:28
Verily I say to you, there are certain of those standing here who shall not taste of death till they may see the Son of Man coming in his reign.'

If Jesus was the Son of Man, why would they have to wait until they "saw the Son of Man coming in his reign"?

Jesus was already there.

The Son of Man was not.

Here's some unsound thinking from Josh McDowell (Josh McDowell, The New Evidence that Demands a Verdict [Nashville: Nelson, 1999], 321.)

If God became a man, then we would expect him to:

Have an utterly unique entrance into human history.

(Why? Being born of an unverifable virgin birth is a side-show gimmick, not a sign of an all-powerful God.)

Be without sin.

(Christian dogma - first you would have to believe that all ordinary human beings must be sinful, which requires that Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Knowlegde, a silly myth that doesn't bear scrutiny)

Manifest His supernatural presence in the form of supernatural acts—that is, miracles.
(Yes, miracles. More side-show flim-flam. If I can perform miracles - like David Copperfield - then I must be God. Nonsense)

Live more perfectly than any human who has ever lived.

Speak the greatest words ever spoken.

(Jesus missed the boat on this one - unless he spoke them and no one wrote them down.)

Have a lasting and universal influence.

Satisfy the spiritual hunger in humanity.

Overcome humanity's most pervasive and feared enemy—death.

(More nonsense. The concept of human beings dying and going to meet God is God's idea, right? So why would God overcome God's plan for us to die? McDowell can't even get his own theology down.)
 
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The book of Enoch contains bits of genuine prophesy
of the messiah. The title of Son of Man was also
given to Ezekiel.
 
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Originally posted by RileyWins

(More nonsense. The concept of human beings dying and going to meet God is God's idea, right? So why would God overcome God's plan for us to die? McDowell can't even get his own theology down.)
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actually in this sense 'death' does not mean the physical death of the body, it means the 'death' of the soul (going to Hell) Jesus' death and ressurection and asension made it possible for the SOUL to live (go to Heaven)

we will all die physically but those who put their faith in Jesus will live for eternity.
 
Is Jesus God?

During His earthly ministry two thousand years ago, Jesus said, "I am God." He said that He was the Maker of the heavens and the earth and that only through Him could mankind experience true peace and be given eternal life. He not only issued this dramatic declaration, He had the credentials to back up those claims. The very uniqueness of Jesus is His claim to deity. Let me stop right here to say that Jesus is unique among worldwide religious figures in His claim to be God.

Buddha never claimed to be God.

Moses never claimed to be Jehovah.

Mohammed never claimed to be Allah.

Yet Jesus Christ claimed to be the TRUE and LIVING God!

The record shows that Jesus was not crucified because He raised the dead or because He made the blind to see and the lame to walk. Jesus was crucified because He claimed to be God. That makes the question of His deity of utmost importance.

Buddha simply said, "I am a teacher in search of the truth."

Jesus said, "I am the Truth."

Confucius said, "I never claimed to be holy."

Jesus said, "Who convicts me of sin?"

Mohammed said, "Unless God throws his cloak of mercy over me, I have no hope."

Jesus said, "Unless you believe in me, you will die in your sins."

Jesus’ statements force the listener or reader to a choice. What you choose to do with Jesus Christ today is the most important decision you will ever make.

Your decision about Jesus Christ is more important than your ideology. It is more important than your career. And it is more important than the mate you choose. If Jesus is God, then you must decide what to do with that information. If he is not God then we should have nothing to do with him.

Source: Is Jesus God? - A lecture given by John M. Maisel
 
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actually in this sense 'death' does not mean the physical death of the body, it means the 'death' of the soul (going to Hell) Jesus' death and ressurection and asension made it possible for the SOUL to live (go to Heaven)

we will all die physically but those who put their faith in Jesus will live for eternity.
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At the Second Coming, those who are in the ground will STand up - the Greek word Paul used means to literally stand up...


So, these Christians who are going to live for eternity, are they in the grave now?

Because they only way they could stand up from the grave would be if they are in the grave when Jesus comes back.

And the probability of this happening is... where's my calculator?... about zero.

If there is a God, and somehow God caused human life on this planet to exist, it is an insult to say that God is going to divide the human race between Christians and non-Christians and give the Christians something extra.
 
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Originally posted by EvilPoet
The record shows that Jesus was not crucified because He raised the dead or because He made the blind to see and the lame to walk. Jesus was crucified because He claimed to be God. [/URL][/i]
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No, no, no.

When the Romans took over Judea, they spent a lot of money building fortresses for their soldiers.

One was the Tower of Antonio, which looked down into the Temple of Jerusalem.

The rules were very clear: any demonstration inside the Temple would be dealt with harshly, because the soldiers were up in the tower, watching.

Jesus was crucified because he attacked employees of the Temple, because he used a whip to... okay, here's the story.

John 2:13
And the passover of the Jews was nigh, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem, and he found in the temple those selling oxen, and sheep, and doves, and

the money-changers sitting,

(money-changers substituted blank coins for coins with pictures of Roman deities so Jews could donate to their treasury)

John 2:15
and having made a whip of small cords,

>> he put all forth out of the temple,

also the sheep, and the oxen; and

>> of the money-changers he poured out the coins, and the tables he overthrew,

(Any man, particularly a Jew from Galilee, a region known for making protests against Rome - any man from Galilee who crossed the border and came into Judea to attack employees of the Temple would have been dealt with the same way - arrest and trial)

John 2:16
and to those selling the doves he said, 'Take these things hence; make not the house of my Father a house of merchandise.'

John 2:17
And his disciples remembered that it is written, 'The zeal of Thy house did eat me up;'


Jesus was crucified because he attacked innocent people with a whip. Not exactly the kind of role model you need in today's violent world.


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RileyWins what factual evidence to you have to believe that account if it also predicts Jesus' resurection?
Accept all of it or reject all of it.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up."
 
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Originally posted by RileyWins
Jesus was crucified because he attacked innocent people with a whip. Not exactly the kind of role model you need in today's violent world.
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Those who converted a place of worship into market are innocent ?

Why in the trial the roman authority could not find anything against that man and told the clergy so.?

Who were the parties in trial Jesus Vs the Romans or Jesus Vs Clergy ?

Today's violent world would be better off with a liitle whip..!
 
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Originally posted by everneo
Those who converted a place of worship into market are innocent ?

Why in the trial the roman authority could not find anything against that man and told the clergy so.?

Who were the parties in trial Jesus Vs the Romans or Jesus Vs Clergy ?

Today's violent world would be better off with a liitle whip..!
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Today's violent world would not be better off with a little whip, if it's in the hands of an End of the World cult member with a chip on his shoulder. You're not thinking with your head.

Are you unclear on the situation in Jerusalem at this time?

The account of the trial in the Gospels is a joke. It was written by a secretary of Mark for the early Church in Rome, not later than 65 AD, and it paints the Roman governor as a man who found nothing wrong with Jesus. This, after Jesus, a man from Galilee, went into the Temple and overturned the tables of the moneychangers. Not much chance of that.

The punishment was crucifixion. That's a punishment for treason, for a physical attack against the Roman government or their representatives.

I can't find any reason to judge the people Jesus attacked in the Temple as anything other than innocent. They were sitting at a table exchanging coins. They were just as innocent as the people in your church who pass around a collection plate. Some nutcase can say "Your church uses too much pressure to intimidate people into donating" or "They spend the money to support the wrong causes..." but that doesn't mean the people who actually collect the money aren't innocent in the sense that they are doing their jobs.

Think!

Moneychangers. They sit at a table in the courtyard and exchange coins from Jews who visit from afar, so they can enter the Inner Courtyard without bearing the image of a Roman deity.

How are they NOT innocent?

In YOUR reasoning?
 
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RileyWins what factual evidence to you have to believe that account if it also predicts Jesus' resurection?
Accept all of it or reject all of it.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up."
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This is the same "prophecy" game that we see in Isaiah in the OT.

Someone writes a book about Isaiah and includes some prophecies. Twenty years later, when all of the prophecies have failed to come true, they add Second Isaiah which includes what really happened in the interval, and some more prophecies. When those prophecies fail to come true, they add Third Isaiah, with more reports of what happened in the internal, and more prophecies.

So, it looks like the first guy, the author of a hypothetical text called Isaiah, had some success in predicting the future.

But ONLY because later authors added accounts AFTER the events to make it appear the prophecies came true.

Same thing with your example.

The only prophecy about the Temple being destroyed was written after the Romans destroyed the Temple in 70 AD.

Do you have any reason to think that someone couldn't have added this prophecy to the text of Gospel of John after 70 AD?

If you know anything about how those gospels were copied and distributed, you would know I'm right.

The prophecy you quoted is a scam, a lie, written after the fact and inserted into an existing text to make it appear like it came true.

Because that's how you play the prophecy game. The only people who believe in prophecies are potential victims of a scam, so give them what they're want and they'll give you their money.
 
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Originally posted by RileyWins
Today's violent world would not be better off with a little whip, if it's in the hands of an End of the World cult member with a chip on his shoulder. You're not thinking with your head.
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No, i think with my brain, i think.

Are you unclear on the situation in Jerusalem at this time?

The account of the trial in the Gospels is a joke. It was written by a secretary of Mark for the early Church in Rome, not later than 65 AD, and it paints the Roman governor as a man who found nothing wrong with Jesus. This, after Jesus, a man from Galilee, went into the Temple and overturned the tables of the moneychangers. Not much chance of that.

The punishment was crucifixion. That's a punishment for treason, for a physical attack against the Roman government or their representatives.
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If biblical account is not trustworthy wrt trial of Jesus your account of projecting Jesus as a rioteer at temple is more untrustworthy. Romans need not had to wait so far. They could have finished off him much earlier.

I can't find any reason to judge the people Jesus attacked in the Temple as anything other than innocent. They were sitting at a table exchanging coins. They were just as innocent as the people in your church who pass around a collection plate. Some nutcase can say "Your church uses too much pressure to intimidate people into donating" or "They spend the money to support the wrong causes..." but that doesn't mean the people who actually collect the money aren't innocent in the sense that they are doing their jobs.
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Traders and coin changers had no business in a temple. did any one of them wounded by that little whiplash..? did Jesus had any violent history before or after that spanking..?

Moneychangers. They sit at a table in the courtyard and exchange coins from Jews who visit from afar, so they can enter the Inner Courtyard without bearing the image of a Roman deity.
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BTW why Rome had to appoint coin changers in a temple that prohibits roman deities. So considerate of jews..?

How are they NOT innocent?

In YOUR reasoning?
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Coin changers, whether they were representatives of Roman empire or like other traders in that temple, were not the cause of irk. The activities of commercialism were.

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Originally posted by RileyWins
Jesus was crucified because he attacked employees of the Temple, because he used a whip to... okay, here's the story.

Jesus was crucified because he attacked innocent people with a whip. Not exactly the kind of role model you need in today's violent world.
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I'm not even a Christian, but I know better than this.
Are you a complete idiot? Have you even read scripture?

The Bible, our sole reference in this matter:

Luke 23:4-7
Then Pilate said to the chief priests and the crowds, "I find no guilt in this man."
But they kept on insisting, saying, "He stirs up the people, teaching all over Judea, starting from Galilee even as far as this place."

When Pilate heard it, he asked whether the man was a Galilean.

And when he learned He belonged to Herod's jurisdiction, he sent Him to Herod, who himself was in Jerusalem at the time.

Luke 23:13-15
Pilate summoned the priests and the rulers and the people,

and said to them, "You brought me a man as one who incites the the people to rebellion, and behold, having examined Him before you, I have found no guilt in this man regarding the charges which you have brought against Him.
No, nor has Herod, for he sent him back to us; and behold, nothing deserving death has been done by him."

Luke 23:20-23
Pilate, wanting to release Jesus, addressed them again.

And he said to them a third time, "Why, what evil has this man done? I have found in Him no guilt demanding death; therefore, I will punish Him and release Him."

But they were insistent, with loud voices asking that He be crucified. And their voices began to prevail.

Matthew 26:65-66
Then the high priest tore his robes and said, "He has blasphemed! What further need do we have of witnesses? Behold, you have now heard the blasphemy:
what do you think?" They answered, "He deserves death!"

Matthew 27:17-18
So when the people gathered together, Pilate said to them, "Whom do you want me to release for you, Barabbas, or Jesus, who is called Christ?"
For he knew that because of envy they had handed Him over.

Matthew 27:23-24
And he said, "Why, what evil has He done? But they kept shouting all the more, saying, "Crucify Him!"

When Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing, but rather that a riot was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd, saying, "I am innocent of this man's blood; see to that yourselves."


It certainly seems to me that both Roman leaders, Pilate and Herod, insisted upon Jesus' innocence, feeling that he had perpetrated no iniquity deserving of such a dire penalty as death.
Pilate only crucified him to appease the "chief priests, rulers, and the people," who were seditious and inclined to be insurgents against Roman dominion.

it was the priests of Jerusalem who condemned Jesus for BLASPHEMY, not the Romans for treason.
 
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Originally posted by okinrus
Muhammad also swears by the moon and world many times.
Once the the moon and the world are destroyed, parts
of the Qur'an will be meaningless.]
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DO you mind backing up your lies idiot....Come on, back it up, show us examples from the Quran that supports your stupid statement. ...Don't be a coward and run from this

To lie, To exaggerate, To blaphsem, are these sins in your bible?
 
To all those that Believe Jesus is god, please explain these verses:

Matt.27
[46] And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

If Jesus is god, then who is he crying to??? If he is god, then why does he say my god my god.......Please explain this trivial question.

Mark 10
[18] And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Now, if Jesus is god, what would inspire him to tell a simple man not to even call him good. Jesus doesn't even want to be described as good, for he reserves such qualities to the one and only god....Please explain my friends, another trivial.

Mark.12
[29] And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

If Jesus is god he would have said, the Lord, your god, or me your god, but Jesus is a believer who believes in his and our god and refers to god as our god.

Luke.24
[19] And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:

Here Jesus is clearly described as a prophet of the people.

[54] Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Jesus says that he can't honor himself, only god our god can honor him. How can Jesus be god and he can't even honor himself?

John.20
[17] Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Jesus is telling a person before he died that he will ascend to god, the god of the person that is talking to him. Jesus makes no distinction between himself and a commoner in the eyes of god.

Matt 7
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Here Jesus is clearly saying that calling him Lord and professing in his name and casting out devil in his name and doing wonderfull works in his name is nothing. Jesus will ask those people who did things in his name to depart and leave, for only those that work rightously in the name of god the father are the welcomed ones.

So how about those friends......please don't dismiss my verses and get me other contradictory corrupt verses to refute....Stick to discussing those verses.
 
I do not mean to respectful and so do not wish to continue this conversation. Since I agree with most of the Qur'an. If I was going to go through it I would only cross out a few lines that directly contradict my believes. So as long as you pray 5 times a day and journey to Mecca for the grace and love of God then you shall recieve Him. God said "You shall not swear by my creation" and Jesus said "Anything above the truth is the work of the devil."

"To lie"
Point out where specifically I'm lying.

"To exaggerate"
True a little bit. I'm just stating what I believe. If I swore to you by unicorns that I was right then you would not believe me. There will be a time when "It shall pass into Judah, and flood it all throughout: up to the neck it shall reach; It shall spread its wings the full width of your land, Immanuel!"

"To blaphsem"
Blasphemy is to curse God. God holds his prophets in high respect but they are all sinners. If I pointed out Moses' sin when he struct the rock twice does that make me blaphemy God? No of course not.
 
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"To blaphsem"
Blasphemy is to curse God. God holds his prophets in high respect but they are all sinners. If I pointed out Moses' sin when he struct the rock twice does that make me blaphemy God? No of course not.
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You have blaphsemed when you said

"Muhammad also swears by the moon and world many times.
Once the the moon and the world are destroyed, parts
of the Qur'an will be meaningless. "

First of all that is a lie, Abraham has said once to people as they were leading him to be burnt alive that if they put the moon on right and the sun on his left, he would never believe in other but god. Prophet muhammed have never swore by a moon or by the world, or even by god. So I ask you to back your lies.

Second. You clearly commited blaphsemy by my standards at least when you completly spoke falsehood concerning the Quran. The Quran is a revelation of god and addressing god revelatioh with clear flasehood is blaphsemy againest god who have sent the revelation. You will never read a book better in content and higher in value and clearer than the Quran..not even the bible, and if you were not prejudice, you would admit that. So please be carefull when you address a book that passed the challenge of having absolutely no errors in a very difficult language and that god have called it:

The Women
[4.82] Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy
 
Simplifying the issue tends to make it more complicated ...

Luke, 3.19-20 (RSV)
Now when all the people were baptized, and when Jesus also had been baptized and was praying, the heaven was opened, and the Holy Spirit descended upon him in bodily form, as a dove, and a voice came from heaven, "Thou art my beloved Son; with thee I am well pleased."
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- Flores: I'm rather surprised to see the point about Jesus' dying words. No Christian yet has been able to sort out that point in light of (A) the Trinity, and (B) the claim that Christianity is monotheistic.

In the meantime, Christian Answers is a website that does little to help us out:
Jesus Christ claimed to be God, the Creator of the cosmos, the one and only way by which we can enter into Heaven. These are high claims ....
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And even in discussing Jesus' death on the Cross, the website makes its difficult-to-substantiate (well? they haven't substantiated it) claim that Jesus is God:
Jesus is more than a man. Although he is 100-percent human, he is also 100% God, the Creator of the universe. He is all-powerful. Although evil men killed his physical body, he easily had the power to restore life to his body again.

When his body came alive, he walked out of his tomb, completely healthy and strong.

As you can imagine, when this happened in the darkness, it really frightened the Roman soldiers who were guarding his tomb to keep people away. They were surprised and terrified! It was suddenly very obvious that Jesus was not merely a man. He is God, with power over life and death. (Christian Answers)
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People generally put so much effort into their faith that, through the Trinity, God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit become one entity. Are Christians polytheistic? Atheists excluded for the obvious reasons, would anyone who believes Jesus is not God (as a faith assertion based on the Bible) please offer two words of response:

Word One: Are Christians polytheistic? (Yes or No)
Word Two: Is Jesus God, or do you worship multiple gods? (Either/Or)

Do Christians then put another god (e.g. Jesus) first before God? Is Christianity a massive violation of the Ten Commandments?

:m:,
Tiassa :cool:
 
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