What the word means is completely irrelevant.
And hey, nice personal insult. You really showed off your razor intellect and arguing ability there.
Discussion: That sex without consent is always rape
- Thread starter James R
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What the word means is completely irrelevant.
And hey, nice personal insult. You really showed off your razor intellect and arguing ability there.
ya, and calling someone's argument a strawman does not equal explaining why it is wrong.
So basically, another idiot who can't figure out what the term means.
Simon Anders
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I find that the people who most judge passion are cut off from it and are the least likely candidates to notice how their passions are affecting their 'logic'.
I don't know, I wasn't paying attention.
This debate is a joke. There is no universal definition of the word rape. Different cultures view it differently (sex without consent within marriage is a good example of that), thus sex without consent is not always rape.
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Simply dismissing it as a strawman does not explain why it is wrong. If I'm so wrong, then explain why my argument is a 'strawman', instead of crying strawman and leaving it at that.
Also, I find your behaviour extremely hypocritical. You complain about logical fallacies, then resort to calling people trash and shit instead of refuting their arguments.
I pointed out why James' bunch of shit was a strawman, but you come in with a bunch of ignorant bull just to show off the fact that the ability to understand the term is simply beyond your reach.
I was talking about my post, I argued something, and instead of replying you just called me a stupid shit.
From my human sexuality class I learned the term rape encompasses a wide variety of situations and actions. According to these rules a study found that among college aged women who were sexually active nearly 86% fell into a category that legally says they were raped. We did the poll in my class too and the results were about the same. But you can't go off of the legal jargon of the word because that would mean almost all men are rapists and should be in prison. It more personal I think. If you don't feel like you were raped, then you weren't. You shouldn't have to wait for someone to tell you that you were. If you did not like the situation ans felt like you were in fact forced then it is rape, as far as you should be concerned anyway. At least those are my rules and regulations for myself... 
What are you talking about?
Maybe you should have volunteered to join Syzygys' side of the debate.
Not paying attention to whether your partner is consenting to having sex with you or not could land you in a lot of trouble. I'd advise more care in future.
A quick note on the mechanics of the debate as it stands right now:
According to the agreed rules for the debate:
Syzygys has now posted all of his posts.
Asguard and James R each have one post left.
Bells has two more posts left.
I am willing, if Asguard and Bells are, to allow Syzygys an extra, brief (say 200 word), summing-up post, if he wishes.
According to the agreed rules for the debate:
Syzygys has now posted all of his posts.
Asguard and James R each have one post left.
Bells has two more posts left.
I am willing, if Asguard and Bells are, to allow Syzygys an extra, brief (say 200 word), summing-up post, if he wishes.
I already did a summary at the end of my last post. Somebody just PMed me with the following info, so I will share it here:
"In UK law, a person does not commit rape if they had 'reasonable belief' that the other person gave consent. In other words, it's not down to whether the person actually consented or not, it's down to whether the accused believed they had consented. Therefore, under UK law, a person can have unconsented sex with another person and not be liable for rape.
The moral is that crimes are punished because the wrong doing was deliberate. One doesn't get punished for accidents.
This interpretation was exercised when a girl accused a man of rape because she consented whilst under the influence of alcohol, to later regret it when she sobered up."
"In UK law, a person does not commit rape if they had 'reasonable belief' that the other person gave consent. In other words, it's not down to whether the person actually consented or not, it's down to whether the accused believed they had consented. Therefore, under UK law, a person can have unconsented sex with another person and not be liable for rape.
The moral is that crimes are punished because the wrong doing was deliberate. One doesn't get punished for accidents.
This interpretation was exercised when a girl accused a man of rape because she consented whilst under the influence of alcohol, to later regret it when she sobered up."
James, it is incredibly dishonest to associate a bullshit opinion with angrybellsprout in an attempt to belittle him, and then call him a coward when he refuses to support an assertion which he didn't make in the first place.
Business as usual on sciforums.
Business as usual on sciforums.
What exactly is reasonable belief?? Where do they draw the line?
And why did they need to use that interpretation? She still consented, even if she regretted it afterwards. If she actually consented, as opposed to being taken advantage of while semi conscious and too disorientated to know what she doing or saying, she had no business crying rape.
VI i guess it would cover a senario like this
Say a man picks up a women in a bar, and sleeps with her only to find out a friend of his kidnaped her child and told her if she didnt sleep with the friend then he would kill the child.
Now the guy who picked up (or was picked up by) the women had no idea that this guy had done this.
Its the guy who FORCED her to do it, not the guy who was acting in good faith who is guilty of rape.
Say a man picks up a women in a bar, and sleeps with her only to find out a friend of his kidnaped her child and told her if she didnt sleep with the friend then he would kill the child.
Now the guy who picked up (or was picked up by) the women had no idea that this guy had done this.
Its the guy who FORCED her to do it, not the guy who was acting in good faith who is guilty of rape.
I see...
what the fuck??
yup, sick.
yup, sick.