Ethanol is a natural substance used in homeopathy.
That's why shot glasses were made.![Smile :smile: :smile:](/smilies/smile.gif)
That's why shot glasses were made.
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Yep. A placebo will have fewer side effects that pretty much anything else out there, because it contains no pharmaceutically active materials.Whatever i am bothered about the effect lower the quantity, kesser the side effects it is still better for me.
Yes, that's what the placebo effect is.Many effects can be from non matrial.
That makes no sense. A constant is a constant - not something that one can "override". I don't think you know what you're talking about. Do you actually understand measures of concentration?
Your claim, then, is that no matter how many dilutions somebody does, or how thoroughly they clean the glassware, there will always be some molecules of active substance left - and that the fewer of them there are the more effective the homeopathic medicine is - as long as not all the molecules are removed? Is that right?
I guess that means that the most effective dose for any homeopathic medicine would be a single molecule. Is that correct? Is that your claim?
Sub-molecular? So you think that homeopathic remedies might be effective even if there is only a single, damaged molecule of the substance? Really?
There's no point at all in trying to establish a mystical, magical, "non-material effect" until you have established the basics: that the medicine does something. That it is therapeutically beneficial. But, as you know, all controlled studies point to the exact opposite.
We know what happens chemically in the body as the "fight or flight" response takes place. The chemistry and physiology is well understood. There is no analogue with homeopathic remedies, which are proven not to do anything.
Is it your claim that homeopathic remedies are not chemicals? Are they not made of atoms like every other chemical substance? Are they magical things?
They have been studied. They have been shown not to work. What's so hard about this for you?
You're relying on anecdotal evidence again, which we can put down to the placebo effect.
Then according to you million of its users in most part of world and many govt and big edauctional authorities are idiots?Homeopathy is a scam that steals money from unsuspecting people. People might use a homeopathic potion instead of a medicine that could actually help them, so it is more of a "live and let die" situation. Individuals who sell homeopathic crap are either uninformed, deluded or evil.
Not idiots so much as misled. They are being told lies, and they believe them.Then according to you million of its users in most part of world and many govt and big edauctional authorities are idiots?
I simply understand that previously according to this calculation remedies beyond 12C or 24X dilutions was calculated and claimed of having no molecules left in remedies. It was main concern of discrediting homeopathy which I shown otherwise. One more logic you can add to 5 logics I mentioned in my previous post i.e.;
6. Dilution error( just casually named it as do not know what should be right name):-
Concentration of active substances will be different on surface or at bottom due to always non-homogenous solution due to weight and volume difference between acive substances and water. Oil or sugar or snall stones accumulate more on either surface or at bottom of water and when 99 part of such solution is removed balance 1 percent will me more concentrated. Since active substances and water do not chemically react with other they will always hold individual capacity. You might have notices usually left over sugar water is more sweet than whole glass solution. This can also override calculation of molecular presence upto some extent. Not so?
Sorry, rest is our routine aurgumants discussed several times. You are right in your home but I can also be right in my home based on practical observations. So we can avoid it. My main purpose in this topic was to attend topic subject which I think attended properly.
About working and sub standard outcome come by studding these at par to modern meds, my say is there is methodology difference in conducting studes in these two different natured types. These should be studies same at par to as these are practiced and prescribed by competent homeopaths. Since it is not topic subject we can discuss it in some other specific topic other times.
Thanks for taking so much pain for me.
Bye.
Yep. A placebo will have fewer side effects that pretty much anything else out there, because it contains no pharmaceutically active materials.
Yes, that's what the placebo effect is.
This is just other way to define idiocy.. one thing I can tell you fir sure, most homeooaths do not misgude or cheat intentionally in thei selfish interest. They can be misguided in themselves but are not dishonest.Not idiots so much as misled. They are being told lies, and they believe them.
Ethanol is a natural substance used in homeopathy.
That's why shot glasses were made.![]()
I have done real experiments. So much so I have to take a pee but, I'll continue the science afterward.i have done quite a bit of reading on the subject & have no shortage of basic science to back up what some others call fake science.
I would believe that, for many homeopaths, they are doing what they believe to be true. Just as for decades doctors used leeches. They did not use leeches because they were evil - they used leeches because they honestly thought it would work.most homeooaths do not misgude or cheat intentionally in thei selfish interest. They can be misguided in themselves but are not dishonest.
If you show someone a dot, and tell them it will cure them, and they feel cured - it's a placebo. Because that dot does not do anything therapeutic, other than through the placebo effect.I shown to yor molecular presence somewhat dot on your lap top screen. If you are getting physiologically active from these stimuli, it can not be taken as placebo.
The quantity of agents in a homeopathic preparation are always effectively zero. You could, of course ,accidentally put arsenic in the water or something, thus causing a bad reaction.Side efffects can depend on quality alsong with quantity of agents.
Couldn't decipher that.No you look at some opposite parner and get exited. Or you look a lion and deevelop fight or flight response or you just sense a fuud and become active,
Let us first care tghe topic subject that will molecular presence be there in homeopathic remedies in view of 6 logics/justification I presented here in my previous posts. Rest this and that or yes or no, works or not, placebo etc we can discuss in a separate topic. Sorry.If you show someone a dot, and tell them it will cure them, and they feel cured - it's a placebo. Because that dot does not do anything therapeutic, other than through the placebo effect.
The quantity of agents in a homeopathic preparation are always effectively zero. You could, of course ,accidentally put arsenic in the water or something, thus causing a bad reaction.
Couldn't decipher that.
But if your point is that your brain can affect your body, absolutely true. That's how placebos work. The important thing to realize is this:
If you are convinced a given mixture works for you, and you do in fact see benefits. then the equivalent quantity of distilled water will do exactly the same thing - as long as you believe it will. And distilled water is a lot cheaper and safer.
Btw, whether outcome from trials is more important and valid or real practical experiances on field applications? How many agents show adverse outcomes on field/actual application even after proper studies and controlled DBPC trals?I would believe that, for many homeopaths, they are doing what they believe to be true. Just as for decades doctors used leeches. They did not use leeches because they were evil - they used leeches because they honestly thought it would work.
However, there are a great number of people who are not interested in homeopathy at all, and just know how to make a quick buck off people who want to buy homeopathic remedies.
My own feeling is that KUMAR5 may have some skin in the game on this one. Maybe he is profiting from homeopathy.Homeopathy is a scam that steals money from unsuspecting people.
OK.Let us first care tghe topic subject that will molecular presence be there in homeopathic remedies in view of 6 logics/justification I presented here in my previous posts.
Are you admitting that homeopathic remedies have failed every scientific test? If so, great! I call that progress.Btw, whether outcome from trials is more important and valid or real practical experiances on field applications?
No absolutely not. Yes I am taking these along with modern meds. Hiwever I now got a feeling that, in view of 6 justification now given by me, declaring higher dilutions as nothing other than water after testing these is a big scam. Probably it started from nemory of water experiment to save $ 1m ifdered by Randi. About warking and effectiveness field or practical experiences and observations should hold more weight than just studies, trials etc eith methedological fsults. so it also look a oart if scam or wrong publicity by which most opposite side peopke got imoressed or perceived.My own feeling is that KUMAR5 may have some skin in the game on this one. Maybe he is profiting from homeopathy.
This is what I also suspect. These relentless and tendentious questions about the Omicron variant being a "friend", coming after a long thread in which he defended homeopathy, after first denying it, make me wonder if there is some scammy "health" business involved and we are unwittingly providing him with storylines. Impossible to prove of course, but I am uneasy.My own feeling is that KUMAR5 may have some skin in the game on this one. Maybe he is profiting from homeopathy.
My own feeling is that KUMAR5 may have some skin in the game on this one. Maybe he is profiting from homeopathy.