Do homeopathic remedies contain measurable quantities of the "medicine"?

Beer w/Straw said:
Ethanol is a natural substance used in homeopathy.

That's why shot glasses were made. :smile:
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if you like to read
read on anti inflammatory & short period pain meds use to treat chronic conditions including depresion
its quite ground breaking stuff
but not something i would want in the news

therapeutic pain medication treatment
 
billvon said:
If you show someone a dot, and tell them it will cure them, and they feel cured - it's a placebo. Because that dot does not do anything therapeutic, other than through the placebo effect.

The quantity of agents in a homeopathic preparation are always effectively zero. You could, of course ,accidentally put arsenic in the water or something, thus causing a bad reaction.
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Every car needs high energy to run but very small energy to start.
 
billvon said:
People aren't cars.
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Yes but examples are raised for easy understsnding of the aspect. Here understsnding the bophasic effect i.e. low dose stimulation to high dose inhibition of physiological activities. Whole issue previously was to show low dose but is clear not as per six justifications given by me. It is upto snyone who still need to remain percrived or accept in science snd humanity banefit(surely not in homeooathy benefits).
Hope, topic subject is well covered and discussed which resulted new understsnding. I thank all of you.
 
KUMAR5 said:
Yes but examples are raised for easy understsnding of the aspect.
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You used an example of a car "stopping" and having to restart - going into a very low power state where the engine isn't running. People don't do that.

Let's use a better automotive example - stratified charge. You need a 14:1 air-fuel mixture to fire off combustion in a car's cylinder. A stratified charge engine provides that 14:1 ratio near the spark plug, but provides a lower concentration of fuel (20 to 25:1) farther away. Once ignition begins, the flame front provides enough energy to combust the leaner mixture, thus saving fuel. Similar things are done in evidence-based medicine.

Homeopathy would dilute the charge until there was no fuel left in the mixture, but hope that the "essence" of fuel would allow combustion. In fact it does not.
 
billvon said:
You used an example of a car "stopping" and having to restart - going into a very low power state where the engine isn't running. People don't do that.

Let's use a better automotive example - stratified charge. You need a 14:1 air-fuel mixture to fire off combustion in a car's cylinder. A stratified charge engine provides that 14:1 ratio near the spark plug, but provides a lower concentration of fuel (20 to 25:1) farther away. Once ignition begins, the flame front provides enough energy to combust the leaner mixture, thus saving fuel. Similar things are done in evidence-based medicine.

Homeopathy would dilute the charge until there was no fuel left in the mixture, but hope that the "essence" of fuel would allow combustion. In fact it does not.
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Yes but ehen though lot of fuel is there but just lying ideal in lesser use than big start charge is needed. You know many time car just star just start in one try other time it meed many. Homeooathy just base to create sense (directly via neurological system by creating sense of low quuantities or deficiencies which stimulated inhibited activities due to previous overexposures. You know a hungry animal(,in low quantity), is more ohysiologically active) than an overeaten animal who is usually become lazy. We have autonomous system built up in us for it. Fight or flight and rest and digest. Moreover since our basis is depend in both energy and matrer, we need to look things from the POV of these bith not just of matrer. Modern meds being hoghlly materialistic can lso cuse inhibition of activities after long exposures.
Moreover there can be difference between evidance based medicines and practical evidance based agents as I indicated earlier in some sense later can be more importsnt.
 
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[QUOTE="Beer w/Straw, post: 3691590, member: 62513"

Why can't admit anything more?[/QUOTE]

Yes, why can't science advocators can admit anything more in view of that science is not yet absokute and complete....if not many time odd also?
 
Moderator note: Beer w/Straw has been warned for posting gratuitous and off-topic sexual content.

Due to accumulated warning points (she is a repeat offender), Beer will be taking an enforced break from sciforums.
 
KUMAR5 said:
Moreover there can be difference between evidance based medicines and practical evidance based agents as I indicated earlier in some sense later can be more importsnt.
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Nope. Evidence based medicine is medicine that is supported by evidence. Belief based medicine is religion.
Homeooathy just base to create sense (directly via neurological system by creating sense )
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Yep. You have just defined the placebo effect. If what helps you is the "sense" that it is going to help you, that's the placebo effect. And it would work the same way with a homeopathic remedy or pure distilled water - as long as you believe it will help you.
 
billvon said:
Nope. Evidence based medicine is medicine that is supported by evidence. Belief based medicine is religion.

Yep. You have just defined the placebo effect. If what helps you is the "sense" that it is going to help you, that's the placebo effect. And it would work the same way with a homeopathic remedy or pure distilled water - as long as you believe it will help you.
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Not belief based but practical experianced based live evidances

Neurological effects are not okacebo effects.
 
KUMAR5 said:
Not belief based but practical experianced based live evidances. Neurological effects are not okacebo effects.
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The placebo effect is pretty much the definition of a neurological effect. From Harvard Medical School:

"The idea that your brain can convince your body a fake treatment is the real thing — the so-called placebo effect — and thus stimulate healing has been around for millennia."

Again, it doesn't matter what's in your phony homeopathic remedy. What matters is that you THINK it will cure you. And distilled water will do exactly the same thing - as long as you believe it will.
 
billvon said:
The placebo effect is pretty much the definition of a neurological effect. From Harvard Medical School:

"The idea that your brain can convince your body a fake treatment is the real thing — the so-called placebo effect — and thus stimulate healing has been around for millennia."

Again, it doesn't matter what's in your phony homeopathic remedy. What matters is that you THINK it will cure you. And distilled water will do exactly the same thing - as long as you believe it will.[/QUOT
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As we all eexpect posive outcome from all healing agents. So all can bot be taken as placebo or simply placebo cure most. Rest what is apparent are the tixic or side effects. Is it what you want to express?
Since homeooathic remedues are given uninformend, unconsious peopke ane even to a imals. Tgese do not come under the scope of placebo. However we need faith effect just to enhance threputic effects.
 
KUMAR5 said:
As we all eexpect posive outcome from all healing agents. So all can bot be taken as placebo or simply placebo cure most.
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No, trials always have a group that takes a placebo and a group that takes the real medicine to remove the placebo effect. With homeopathic tests the placebo group and the homeopathic group show no difference, in other words homeopathic concoctions are placebos.
 
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