Do we have freewill ? is it biblical ?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by zacariah88, Feb 22, 2023.

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Do you believe you have freewill

  1. yes

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  2. no

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    54.5%
  1. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    I thank those 2 branes have concluded that sure... ther actually is no free will... but life works beter by thankin we do have free will so we can properly punish people who brake our laws / do evil stuff

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  3. zacariah88 Registered Member

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    Joe Rogan says the paradox we have freewill but some of us want to have all freewill and think we should be outside of God it was simple for us a machine can do it and A.I. may understand more but we cannot go outside the box ? We have examples that there have exceptions and the devil has the freewill where angels could not have freewill but he let it exist and outside his freewill and let humans make mistake. God elt teh devil amde a msitake but he could of fix it all but he elt things go it's natural destiny. Can we think of the box and show there is destiny we can change ? Yes there is.
     
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  5. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Actually… i cant not recognize determinism

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  7. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Ok… i get what you mean:::

    God gave us just enuff free will that the more fortunate among us are able to pull ourselfs up by our own boot-straps

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  8. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Well, there's your problem, right there.
     
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  9. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Could you rephrase that or, can you just answer that you know a crack head that says they've found God through drugs that they are lying or not?
     
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I suggest that when it comes to issues of free will, philosophers, neurologists and psychologists might be a better source of enlightenment than comedians/actors.
     
  11. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    True - cannot possess the same properties at the same time'. Experiments look at properties, so wave property could show up or particle property, but not in one experiment.
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    See thread "Schrodinger's Cat". I am not allowed to use my free will in this thread....

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  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Doesn't that imply a natural form of choice, albeit unconscious? The choice dictated by the event itself?
    Is that not the definition of "variable" values?
     
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  14. zacariah88 Registered Member

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    Don't worry Write4u, speaking about freewill is something huge and contradicts many areas. We all have an opinion and have freedom to respect each others opinion about freewill we still not seen everything about freewill in a.i., about more famous people like Einstein opinion and other great people. Who have given their take on freewill it is truly an important side of the freewill we all discover has many improtant discoveries.
     
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  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Determinism isn't the problem. Without causality there would be no resulting dynamics.

    Pre-determinism is the obstacle. There are too many local variables for many events to have any long-range purely deterministic chronology. This is why future events are probabilistic and become deterministic only an instant before the event itself. This is why quantum cannot be predicted, it has no pre-determined future.

    This is condition is described in Chaos Theory. There will be order emerging from chaos, but the further we project into the future the fuzzier the probability of any specific event at a given time or place.

    The brain is a prediction engine. And that ability to predict the future allows us to "set the stage" and prepare for a deterministic event to occur or to defend against.

    When a part of a river often floods part of a town from spring run-off, we build levees when there is no flood today, but on the probability that there will be another flood sometime in the future.
    I consider that an act of free will because it is not in response to an immediate causal "fight or flight" situation, but from a considered future risk assessment, a probabilistic condition that does not require an instant reaction, but does require pro-action, just in case.
     
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  17. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Any posters who claims the above better have. evidence such entity's exist

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  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    A perfect example of determinism overriding FW is demonstrated in the chessboard illusion.



    No matter how hard you try to match A and B as presented, you cannot undo your brain's programming to see them differently. There is no free will involved in this. Your brain's original survival programming will not let "you" consciously modify the program and see the colors as being identical.
     
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  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    This is not an example of determinism or of a lack of free will. You misunderstand the terms.

    You might as well assert that you can't look at an apple and see an orange and call that determinism or a lack of free will.
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I understand the term quite well. It is a perfect example of deterministic brain function overriding free will. Try to see the colors the same, you cannot do it, even as they are the same. I think we had this discussion a long time ago.

    What I am presenting is a deterministic brain function that you cannot override by will. So far, it's the only real-world demonstration of this fact in this discussion. Can you do better?
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That is a false equivalence. Here we are looking at 2 identical apples (squares).
    Think it through.
     
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  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. You're weasel-wording again.
     
  23. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Free will has nothing to do with overriding perception.
     

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