Do you trust the mainstream media?

joepistole said:
And where is your evidence that "Joepistole has no idea about the real situtation in Russian media".
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From your postings, all I have seen is Western propaganda about Russian media, never seen a quote from Russian media from you.
joepistole said:
If you believe that then you are clearly ignorant or dishonest or some combination thereof.
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I have seen American journalists in Russian TV trying to defend the American position several times. I have seen many times discussions about the level of corruption in Russia, quite serious discussions about what has changed and what remains problematic, but referencing and making fun of your beloved corruption index. Translations of interesting English articles are quite common there. (I have to admit that some of my links to some American sources have such translations as their origin.) I have not seen similar things in Western media. The Russian position is usually grossly misrepresented, simply inventions, without links. Ok, may be I simply have not seen good American sources somehow hidden in the net, but I have not seen it. Ok, help me, give the links.
joepistole said:
If Russian media was truly as you represent it, it wouldn't be owned and controlled by the state as it is. It would present issues fairly and honestly, and it wouldn't need to kill journalists in order to suppress them.
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Sorry, only some media are owned by the state. Not unimportant media, of course, similar to the situation in Germany (which has a lot of state-owned media) and Britain (BBC). There are privately owned media in Russia too. And, no, there is no political need to kill journalists. In Jeltsin time, killing them was more common than today. And not because Jeltsin killed them for political reasons, but because they tried to investigate all those highly criminal and corrupt structures, and criminals killed them. Today the criminal situation is in comparison much better, so also the survival of journalists.

The most famous cases of killed Russian journalist of the last years have happened in the Ukraine, where they have been killed by the Ukrainian Nazis. (If I see what they do in Syria, I expect some dead Russian journalists there in near future too. Russians like to do dangerous things. I know. Two of my Russian friends, alpinists, have died because of doing dangerous things reasonable alpinists would not do.)
 
joepistole said:
And where is your evidence that "Joepistole has no idea about the real situtation in Russian media".
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From your postings, all I have seen is Western propaganda about Russian media, never seen a quote from Russian media from you.
joepistole said:
If you believe that then you are clearly ignorant or dishonest or some combination thereof.
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I have seen American journalists in Russian TV trying to defend the American position several times. I have seen many times discussions about the level of corruption in Russia, quite serious discussions about what has changed and what remains problematic, but referencing and making fun of your beloved corruption index. Translations of interesting English articles are quite common there. (I have to admit that some of my links to some American sources have such translations as their origin.) I have not seen similar things in Western media. The Russian position is usually grossly misrepresented, simply inventions, without links. Ok, may be I simply have not seen good American sources somehow hidden in the net, but I have not seen it. Ok, help me, give the links.
joepistole said:
If Russian media was truly as you represent it, it wouldn't be owned and controlled by the state as it is. It would present issues fairly and honestly, and it wouldn't need to kill journalists in order to suppress them.
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Sorry, only some media are owned by the state. Not unimportant media, of course, similar to the situation in Germany (which has a lot of state-owned media) and Britain (BBC). There are privately owned media in Russia too. And, no, there is no political need to kill journalists. In Jeltsin time, killing them was more common than today. And not because Jeltsin killed them for political reasons, but because they tried to investigate all those highly criminal and corrupt structures, and criminals killed them. Today the criminal situation is in comparison much better, so also the survival of journalists.

The most famous cases of killed Russian journalist of the last years have happened in the Ukraine, where they have been killed by the Ukrainian Nazis. (If I see what they do in Syria, I expect some dead Russian journalists there in near future too. Russians like to do dangerous things. I know. Two of my Russian friends, alpinists, have died because of doing dangerous things reasonable alpinists would not do.)
 
Schmelzer said:
Can you explain the point of naming me sheep herder?
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Well someone as bright as you think you are, should readily be able to see why I call you a sheep herder. :) and certainly not needing three paragraphs of your usual propaganda!
But again, in simple language, you have nothing to support your utterly stupid conspiracy idea and the reporting as generally accepted by reasonable people, of the 9/11 terrorist incident, being anything other then what was reported in the mainstream western media.

joepistole said:
Finally a little honesty comrade. The truth comes out. You don't subscribe to to scientific method and empiricism.
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Yes, a little honesty rather then the obfuscation, fabricated, excuse ridden, agenda driven propaganda.
 
Schmelzer said:
From your postings, all I have seen is Western propaganda about Russian media, never seen a quote from Russian media from you.
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The truth isn't propaganda.

Schmelzer said:
I have seen American journalists in Russian TV trying to defend the American position several times. I have seen many times discussions about the level of corruption in Russia, quite serious discussions about what has changed and what remains problematic, but referencing and making fun of your beloved corruption index. Translations of interesting English articles are quite common there. (I have to admit that some of my links to some American sources have such translations as their origin.) I have not seen similar things in Western media. The Russian position is usually grossly misrepresented, simply inventions, without links. Ok, may be I simply have not seen good American sources somehow hidden in the net, but I have not seen it. Ok, help me, give the links.
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If you consume information from any of Russia's major news media you haven't heard or seen anything derogatory about Putin. In fact I have challenged you to write something negative about Putin and to date you have been unable or unwilling to do so.

The truth isn't a misrepresentation. It's just the truth.

Schmelzer said:
Sorry, only some media are owned by the state. Not unimportant media, of course, similar to the situation in Germany (which has a lot of state-owned media) and Britain (BBC). There are privately owned media in Russia too. And, no, there is no political need to kill journalists. In Jeltsin time, killing them was more common than today. And not because Jeltsin killed them for political reasons, but because they tried to investigate all those highly criminal and corrupt structures, and criminals killed them. Today the criminal situation is in comparison much better, so also the survival of journalists.
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Only the major media outlets are owned by the Russian state. All Russian media is controlled by the Russian state.

Schmelzer said:
The most famous cases of killed Russian journalist of the last years have happened in the Ukraine, where they have been killed by the Ukrainian Nazis. (If I see what they do in Syria, I expect some dead Russian journalists there in near future too. Russians like to do dangerous things. I know. Two of my Russian friends, alpinists, have died because of doing dangerous things reasonable alpinists would not do.)
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I see you're back to the blame Ukraine tactic. The fact remains the Russian state, not Ukraine, has murdered and continues to jail and arrest journalists. And Russian media remains ranked as one of the least free media in the world by independent agencies.
 
joepistole said:
The truth isn't propaganda.



If you consume information from any of Russia's major news media you haven't heard or seen anything derogatory about Putin. In fact I have challenged you to write something negative about Putin and to date you have been unable or unwilling to do so.

The truth isn't a misrepresentation. It's just the truth.



Only the major media outlets are owned by the Russian state. All Russian media is controlled by the Russian state.



I see you're back to the blame Ukraine tactic. The fact remains the Russian state, not Ukraine, has murdered and continues to jail and arrest journalists. And Russian media remains ranked as one of the least free media in the world by independent agencies.
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So your saying that the mainstream media in the US is not corp. Controlled ?

It is . The corps. Control the media.
 
river said:
So your saying that the mainstream media in the US is not corp. Controlled ?
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Of course it is. Every media source in the US is a corporation. So is the company that owns this website. So is the store you shop at. So am I; I have a corporation that I use since I am an independent contractor, and I need the corporation for tax and accounting purposes. So do almost 10% of the people in the US.

But does that mean that my corporation 'controls' me? That would be silly. My corporation IS me.
 
billvon said:
Of course it is. Every media source in the US is a corporation. So is the company that owns this website. So is the store you shop at. So am I; I have a corporation that I use since I am an independent contractor, and I need the corporation for tax and accounting purposes. So do almost 10% of the people in the US.

But does that mean that my corporation 'controls' me? That would be silly. My corporation IS me.
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Fair enough .

My point is that the news media , main news media is controlled . It can't give all the news that it should .
 
river said:
My point is that the news media , main news media is controlled . It can't give all the news that it should .
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Depends on the source. NPR, for example, gets its funding mostly through grants, federal funding and listener contributions. BBC reports on anything and everything and could care less about what US corporations want.
 
billvon said:
Depends on the source. NPR, for example, gets its funding mostly through grants, federal funding and listener contributions. BBC reports on anything and everything and could care less about what US corporations want.
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NPR ? not familar .

But what we are discussing here I thought was mainstream media , in the USA .
 
billvon said:
You've never heard of NPR? National public radio. It's almost guaranteed to be on the radio/TV in your area.

Then check out NPR.
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Well I'm Canadian , so TV , not likely , but maybe on some obscure TV channel .

Anyway on your mainstream alot is not reported .

For example what was revealed on Friday ? That all Americans should know .
 
river said:
To bad but politically ....what was revealed on Friday .
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Politically? The Trump/Clinton sniping at a benefit dinner. (Dinner happened the night before.) The Republican governor of Maine told Trump to "get over himself."
 
river said:
So your saying that the mainstream media in the US is not corp. Controlled ?

It is . The corps. Control the media.
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Did I say that? No I didn't. What makes you think corporate control is always a bad thing? Corporations compete with each other to produce the news quickly and accurately. If they can catch their competitors doing something wrong, it greatly benefits them. Competition is a good think, it keeps people honest. The key is competition. There is no real competition in Mother Russia. All major news sources are controlled by one man, the great Putina.

NPR isn't a for profit media organization and it runs a very good Western news organization.
 
joepistole said:
Did I say that? No I didn't. What makes you think corporate control is always a bad thing? Corporations compete with each other to produce the news quickly and accurately. If they can catch their competitors doing something wrong, it greatly benefits them. Competition is a good think, it keeps people honest. The key is competition. There is no real competition in Mother Russia. All major news sources are controlled by one man, the great Putina.

NPR isn't a for profit media organization and it runs a very good Western news organization.
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Therefore then you should you know about Hilory .
 
joepistole said:
What does that mean? What does Hilary have to do with it?
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On RT TV channel her e-mails were given but were redacted . So bad that really no information on her e-mails were therefore revealed .

See the fact the it took so long for you respond meant that mainstream media did not report this .
 
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