Adstar said:
Yes, why would i say it if i was not serious? Do you think this is a joke.
Yes.
Ermm ok.
I am a bit confused here. Are you suggesting that i would kill others? I am not a muslim i am a Christian. A Christian martyr does not kill others. A Christian martyr becomes one when he is killed.
There is no distinction. There is martyrdom and there is martyrdom. Both are one and the same, regardless of your religion.
What I was asking was that if your dying for your message, would mean that others would also die along with you, would you still do it? What if your death causes the death of others, would you still be willing to become a martyr?
There are plenty more where i came from.
That is what frightens me.
God can raise up messengers from wherever and whenever He wants. If i die as a martyr i get an early mark into eternity with God, and that beats living in this world for sure.
Good grief you are serious! You seem offended by the thought that you are somehow different from Islamic martyr's or martyrs of other religions, but you are not. All martyrs are one and the same. Extremists who are willing to die to make sure their message gets across to the masses. In the end the masses will remember you for 2 days and then get on with their own lives. Where does that leave you? Dead as a doorknob. Dead for no good reason, other than for your own selfish reasons because you think your actions will get you to god earlier.
Once again i think your getting Christian martyrdom mixed up with islamic martyrdom, two very different species.
No they are not. You wish to distinguish your own brand of martyrdom as being different, as though you are somehow better. But at the end of the day both are exactly the same.
Yes there are. Stephenwas the first but many have benn added to him down throughout the ages and many are being added today.
I dont see martyrdom. I see idiots fulfilling what they think is some sort of warped prophecy that does not exist other than in their own minds. It is people like you that make me sometimes think that religious nutters should be locked up forever, because you pose a danger not only to yourself, but to others in your self deluded fantasy that you are somehow doing gods work through means of violence to not only yourself but to others as well.
You might think that if you one day die as a martyr that you wouldn't be harming anyone else but merely spreading the message, but I disagree. You'd be harming those left behind to pick up the mess of your death. There'd be those who might be unwilling witnesses to your untimely demise who would be harmed. The list can go on and on in how your supposed martyrdom could harm others not just physically but mentally. But I realise that listing them would probably make you more enamoured at the thought of becoming a martyr because you'd think the message would be spread even more. Pathetic!
Well many disagree with you. If you have the truth you should be willing to die for it. People are willing to die for a lot less things than their faith.
No if I had the truth, I'd be more willing to remain alive to spread it. Because if you have the so called truth and you are dead, you are not exactly in a position to spread it. Yes people are willing to die for less than their faith. Some are willing to die for others they love. Some are willing to die for tangible things and truths. Not for their own self deluded fantasy of getting to god quicker.
It's good that you are willing to die for someone you love (your child) But We Christians are called on to Love all men and be willing to die for their salvation. That is why we are willing to die for spreading the message of Jesus.
Is that why Jesus cried out to his father about being foresaken? From all stories told of the so called crucifixion, the boy was not happy about being let down by his father.
How can someone who is willing to be killed be a danger to society? Only a person who is willing to kill for their religion could be a danger to a society. Once again your are getting Christian martyrdom mixed up with islamic martyrdom. We do not kill others for our God, but we are prepared to be killed for our God. Just as Jesus was prepared to be killed for all mankind even those who murdered Him.
Again, martyrdom is martyrdom. There is no religious distinction for people who are crazy enough to die for their god or to get a particular message across. The means by which they achieve their goal might be different but the reason and the message they are trying to spread is one and the same.. they all do it for god, to spread their gods message and to be blessed by their god and to get to heaven and eternal life that little bit quicker. You know what? You actually scare the crap out of me. The thought that there are people like you roaming the street scares me.
