but you kept touting th efigure as if it actually meant something!
You are the one who touted this figure earlier in the thread, I was merely using your own citation do disprove your misreading of it.
That was the whole point. Wake up and smell the cordite! I have not changed _my_ position, I was showing that Klecks stats do not fit!
Funny, you were originally citing it as a valid reference, and here in the same post you do it again...
According to Kleck, gun owners report four times the national incidence of crimes against the person
OK, and you call me dim - Kleck's study does not include non-gunowners in it. Kleck's study is not comparing gunowner-reported crime versus non-gunowner-reported crime... where are you getting this "four times" stat from? Link please?
Could it be a case of 'If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like nails.', hmmm?
It is true that there are people out there who are irresponsible and itching to use there gun, I will not argue with that. There are many unstable people who probably should not have guns.
There are also plenty of responsible gun owners, who are in effect the second line of defense for the public, just take
this article for example.
Simple Max, as you are fond of saying, "criminals don't obey laws", so the responsibility will be on law abiding, gun owning citizens to make the system work. It works by exclusion. If I am a law abidng citizen, with a gun to sell, and you want to buy it, you have to show me your license, which proves you too are law abiding, and the firearm gets transferred to your license from mine. It is accounted for, and the only slight inconvenience is that both parties have to fill out a form or two. No license, no sale.
I recently read an article where an ex-wife ran down her ex-husband with her car because he had a new girlfriend. This makes her a criminal, so what should we do to take these cars out of criminals' hands?
Well, we already have car registration in every state, and you have to pass a driving competency test to get a license... so how the hell did this happen?
If I legally sell you a car, how do I know if you're going to run someone down in a fit of rage? How do I know you won't be trafficking drugs? What business is it of mine? What about how many cars are stolen every year?
The truth is, no amount of gun registration, licensing or paperwork is going to prevent a damned thing.
By the way, I have my concealed carry license and have filled out the background check forms for every firearm I own, except one that I purchased through a private sale. However, for insurance purposes, all of my firearms are photographed and serial numbers are recorded for my own protection.
Responsible citizens do not need a law (or a queen) to tell us how to do things the right way.
The laws work so well in the UK that criminals have to resort to re-activating deacts or blank firers. Gun crime is so rare here, deliberate gun homicides are at the same level of incidence as US accidental ones! So the laws DO work. Yes, criminals may get access to guns under any system. It's about mitigating risk, not eliminating it. Just because a system won't be perfect is no reason not to do something.
Those stats are easy to achieve when your demographic breakdown is 88% white. A large majority of gun crimes in the U.S. are black-on-black in the inner city.
Before you call me a racist, take a step back and analyze my statement... this is not racism, it is a cold hard fact. The gangstas are bringing this country down, NOT the law abiding citizens who own guns.
Yes, yes... I know there are white criminals, and I personally know black gun-owners who are fine, upstanding citizens who work for a living. But, I'm talking majorities here.
The fact of the matter is: THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY. The only way you can change the gun crimes in this country is to get rid of the constitution and turn this into a police state. I'd rather everyone have guns then just the government.
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