Holocaust Remembrance Day

[Mr.Spock]

Yom HaZikaron laShoah ve-laGvura (יום הזיכרון לשואה ולגבורה; "Remembrance Day for the Holocaust and Heroism"), known colloquially in Israel and abroad as Yom HaShoah and in English as "Holocaust Remembrance Day," is observed as a day of commemoration for the approximately six million Jews who perished in the Holocaust. In Israel, it is a national memorial day.

The original proposal was to hold Yom Hashoah on the 14th of Nisan, the anniversary of the Warsaw ghetto uprising (April 19, 1943), but this was problematic because the 14th of Nisan is the day immediately before Pesach (Passover). The date was moved to the 27th of Nisan, which is eight days before Yom Ha'atzma'ut, or Israeli Independence Day.

"yehi zihram baruch"

 

[S.A.M.]

What a load of shite.

A third of Holocaust survivors living in Israel are poor, the Holocaust Survivors' Welfare Fund reported this week. According to the fund, some 80,000 of the 260,000 survivors in the country live under the poverty line.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3387047,00.html

Israeli Treasury Rejects Bid To Help Poor Holocaust Survivors

That's right. A modest bill costing about $13 million dollars per annum would have paid 75% of tperscription drug bills for poor Holocausr survivors. The bill would also wave their television tax and provide a mechanism to help elderly poor survivors find public housing. Israel's treasury has rejected the bill. The longer the government stalls, the less is pays out.

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2006/11/israeli_treasur.html

Sixty-three years after Allied troops freed emaciated prisoners from the Nazi death camps, the group has become the target of increasingly strident criticism. Some survivors charge it with amassing excessive wealth in their name while forgetting the very people it is designed to serve, many of whom are growing old in poverty.

More than anything, critics say far too much money is going to projects like Holocaust museums and broader Jewish causes instead of to making survivors’ lives better in the time they have left.

"Open your pocketbooks now. Don’t worry about monuments. You’ll have plenty left for monuments when the survivors are gone," said Jack Rubin, 79, of Boynton Beach, Fla.

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/i...g?articleid=1090571&srvc=home&position=recent

 

[Imperfectionist]

So which is it, they don't get enough money or they have too much money? And what does that have to do with remembering them?

 

[S.A.M.]

I bet they'd like to be remembered while they are alive, rather than after they die.

 

[Mr.Spock]

What a load of shite.


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3387047,00.html


http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2006/11/israeli_treasur.html


http://news.bostonherald.com/news/i...g?articleid=1090571&srvc=home&position=recent

i will apreciate it if a moderator can delete or move this post to another thread.

thank you.

 

[S.A.M.]

Yeah, live survivors have no place in a Holocaust remembrance thread.

 

[Mr.Spock]

Yeah, live survivors have no place in a Holocaust remembrance thread.

on the contrary, they are a living testimony to what happened in the holocaust(one of them is my nana). however, political issues such as israel hatred is unrelated to the Holocaust remembrance Day.

 

[S.A.M.]

on the contrary, they are a living testimony to what happened in the holocaust(one of them is my nana). however, political issues such as israel hatred is unrelated to the Holocaust remembrance Day.

Poorly looked after survivors who are living their old age with difficulty while executives are milking them for money are a nonissue?

First Class flights around the world, accommodation at deluxe hotels, dining at fancy restaurants and a series of credit cards, this is how the Claims Conference, which deals with restitution of stolen Jewish property from the Holocaust, operates. Conference president was involved in financial irregularities in his previous position, but spokesmen for the organizations say: There were no criminal findings against him; he gets impressive results for the survivors

 

[Mr.Spock]

Poorly looked after survivors who are living their old age with difficulty while executives are milking them for money are a nonissue?

i dont deny it. it is sad, it is outrageous, it makes me angry. however it is a political issue, this is a non political thread.

i think you can reserve your hatred towered Israel just one day of the year?

 

[S.A.M.]

i dont deny it. it is sad, it is outrageous, it makes me angry. however it is a political issue, this is a non political thread.

i think you can reserve your hatred towered Israel just one day of the year?

I think its important to remember that some Holocaust survivors are still alive and deserve more consideration than they presently get. If your nana was one, you should be kicking the Claims Conference on their collective arse.:bugeye:

 

[Mr.Spock]

I think its important to remember that some Holocaust survivors are still alive and deserve more consideration than they presently get. If your nana was one, you should be kicking the Claims Conference on their collective arse.:bugeye:

the holocaust remembrance day is dedicated to what happened in the holocaust. as for some it is obvious why it is important to remember what happened then, others do not.

the irony that the holocaust survivors dont get enough consideration is not a reason to call it "a load of shite". as sad as it is you are deliberately making this a political thread.

perhaps you might have being more convincing if the holocaust survivors condition in israel was not the only thing on your mind.

 

[S.A.M.]

I think its a load of shite to talk about remembrance day when survivors are so easily pushed aside from collective memory. :shrug:

 

[Mr.Spock]

I think its a load of shite to talk about remembrance day when survivors are so easily pushed aside from collective memory. :shrug:

you wanna donate to a holocaust survivor? or know people who are willing to help them?

 

[S.A.M.]

you wanna donate to a holocaust survivor? or know people who are willing to help them?

Sure, will they get the money/help?

I don't wanna fund missiles instead.

I think considering that the survivors are so old now, shouldn't it be a priority to make sure they don't suffer? Or at least send them to places where they will be looked after?

 

[Mr.Spock]

Sure, will they get the money/help?

I don't wanna fund missiles instead.

I think considering that the survivors are so old now, shouldn't it be a priority to make sure they don't suffer? Or at least send them to places where they will be looked after?

you can try and locate one and send him money.

maybe you can start here:

http://www.yadvashem.org/

if it was up to me, this wouldnt be a problem. unfortunately, corruption and politics are well blend.

 

[S.A.M.]

you can try and locate one and send him money.

maybe you can start here:

http://www.yadvashem.org/

Thanks

if it was up to me, this wouldnt be a problem. unfortunately, corruption and politics are well blend.

Ain't that the sorry truth.

 

[Mr.Spock]

Thanks

i would be happy to hear how that one turned out.

 

[Kadark]

Kaddish for all of the Holocaust victims.

 

[S.A.M.]

i would be happy to hear how that one turned out.

I will be happy to let you know.

IN MEMORY
A HOLOCAUST PRAYER FOR
THE SIX MILLION VICTIMS
by Alexander Kimel - A Holocaust Survivor
Almighty G-d, remember the six million people that were gassed, killed, drowned, burned alive, tortured, beaten or frozen to death. For the sake of one man, a whole nation was crucified, while the world looked on in silence. In our hearts, their sacred memory will last forever and ever. Amen.

G-d of Our Fathers, let the ashes of the children incinerated in Auschwitz, the rivers of blood spilled at Babbi Yar or Majdanek, be a warning to mankind that hatred is destructive, violence is contagious, while man has an unlimited capacity to cruelty. Almighty G-d, fulfill the prophecy of Isaiah: "They shall beat their swords into ploughshares ... nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more." Amen.​

 

[Mr.Spock]

Anne Frank

Annelies Marie "Anne" Frank (listen (help·info)) (June 12, 1929–early March 1945) was a German-born Jewish girl from the city of Frankfurt. She gained international fame posthumously following the publication of her diary which documents her experiences hiding during the German occupation of the Netherlands in World War II.

Anne and her family moved to Amsterdam in 1933 after the Nazis gained power in Germany, and were trapped by the occupation of the Netherlands, which began in 1940. As persecutions against the Jewish population increased, the family went into hiding in July 1942 in hidden rooms in her father Otto Frank's office building. After two years, the group was betrayed and transported to concentration camps. Seven months after her arrest, Anne Frank died of typhus in the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, within days of the death of her sister, Margot Frank. Her father Otto, the only survivor of the group, returned to Amsterdam after the war to find that her diary had been saved, and his efforts led to its publication in 1947. It was translated from its original Dutch and first published in English in 1952 as The Diary of a Young Girl.

The diary, which was given to Anne on her 13th birthday, chronicles her life from June 12, 1942 until August 1, 1944. It has been translated into many languages, has become one of the world's most widely read books, and has been the basis for several plays and films. Anne Frank has been acknowledged for the quality of her writing, and has become one of the most renowned and discussed of Holocaust victims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Frank

her diary

http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/af/htmlsite/story_complete.html