Inherent Meaning

Write4U said:
I believe this is a function of the "mirror neural network" in the brain.
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Not a big fan of ascribing things to the "mirror neural network." We don't really know what it does, but it's popular to ascribe almost everything to it, from compassion to reasoning skills to language.
 
billvon said:
Not a big fan of ascribing things to the "mirror neural network." We don't really know what it does, but it's popular to ascribe almost everything to it, from compassion to reasoning skills to language.
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There is abundant evidence of what it does, we just don't know how MNS works.

I find it an elegant explanation for how organisms learn from observation and experience and thereby are able to re-experience the same chemical reactions merely from watching the behavior of others. Empathy.
 
Write4U said:
There is abundant evidence of what it does, we just don't know how MNS works.

I find it an elegant explanation for how organisms learn from observation and experience and thereby are able to re-experience the same chemical reactions merely from watching the behavior of others. Empathy.
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That's not exactly an explanation.

Usually an explanation is a longer, more detailed description of the thing it's trying to explain, not shorter and less detailed.
 
DaveC426913 said:
That's not exactly an explanation.

Usually an explanation is a longer, more detailed description of the thing it's trying to explain, not shorter and less detailed.
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Did you read more detailed findings and explanations? I have and the MNS seems no longer speculative. Functional evidence is abundant. Functional how is still mysterious.
Functional evidence for the presence of an MNS in humans comes from several studies using transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS), electroencephalography (EEG), megnetoencephalography (MEG), and functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) methodologies
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Since its discovery, the MNS has been found to be composed of a network of areas, including the pars opercularis of the inferior frontal gyrus (IFG) and its adjacent ventral area (inferior frontal cortex [IFC]), the inferior parietal lobule (IPL), and the superior temporal sulcus (STS), which are activated during the observation and imitation of an action.
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Insofar as the MNS generates internal representations of actions common to one's self and others, it is likely to be involved in our capacity to understand the actions and experiences of other people. Such an understanding is critical to social–communicative functioning, and accordingly, the MNS has been hypothesized by various researchers to be the basis of “mind reading,” imitative learning, and empathy
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https://academic.oup.com/cercor/article/16/9/1276/276307
 
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DaveC426913 said:
I misinterpreted your post. Strike my response. Mia culpa.
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I am glad you did. It gave me a chance to post the Oxford research link.

In context of "meaning", the MNS may well be the fundamental area of commonly shared brain functions and chemical production evoking shared "emotional" response behaviors.

If I watch you hit your thumb with a hammer, my body reacts as if the hammer is striking my thumb and that emotional response creates my reflexive "cringing" in mock pain as if I personally am experiencing the blow. That chemical reaction producing the empathic response must also be the seat for shared experiences of "meaning".
Meaning; "pain hurts", "love makes you feel good", "everybody likes sweets or chocolate".

It all means a shared fundamental physical chemical response system (a common denominator) to certain impressive (traumatic) events, which are simultaneously mirrored by all. Mass hysteria at a score in a football game is but one example.

It is the lure of rooting for a hero. When he wins, we all win at the same time.
At least that's how we feel....in perfect reflective and reflexive union with other minds...:D

A true empathic sexual intercourse can provide the highest state of ecstacy in both.
The porno industry relies on the MNS for mass sales of sexually provocative films....:tongue:

Interestingly, this mirror response is already found in the paramecium during mating, the only time they remain still, without automotor movement.
Simply put, they "forget" to swim....:redface:
Did you know: Only paramecia of the same species can mate, and only different mating types can mate. softschools.com
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If we throw "symmetry" into the mix of fundamental Mirroring functions in nature, we are going deep into the symmetric pattern forming structure (or function) of spacetime, IMO.

Mirroring suggests a perfect reflective duality to the universal aspect of "information sharing." It's elegant and efficient!...:rolleyes:
 
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Write4U said:
Moreover, the older the word, the greater the variety of associated meanings, usually with a fundamental common denominator.
Home, homely, homeland, home-base, home-work, homing in, coming home, ...etc.
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disagree

in every language there is a natural word that describes a situation and/or object
 
DaveC426913 said:
Nonsense.

What is a "natural" word?

What is the "natural" Zulu word for "glacier"?
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A natural word is a word that describes an object and only that object .

what ever it is , assuming they have come across a glacier in the first place .

Any more the an amazon tribe has a word for snow .
 
river said:
A natural word is a word that describes an object and only that object .
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What's natural about that?
Was it around before humans invented it?

I'd be interested in finding a word that only describes one thing.

Glacier is not such a word.
 
but in your post # 73 is this an example of inherent meaning ?

I don't think so .

inherent meaning is a meaning inwhich its meaning has an original origin

not some abstraction example from the original meaning .
 
Dywyddyr said:
Now you're just making sh*t up.
WHY is it "natural"?
What makes it any more "natural" than any other word?


Er... photos from the early 1990s show the Taushiro children playing in the snow.

Note: Taushiro: also known as Pinche or Pinchi, is a nearly extinct possible language isolate of the Peruvian Amazon near Ecuador.
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don't know why any word in any language is used to describe anything .

A mountain is a mountain, in any language , not a tree , water etc

it is an interesting thread
 
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