Inherent Meaning

Throbber said:
Mountain. A translation to an innate language must be available else language would not exist at all. ☺
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You keep saying this, but you haven't provided any argument let alone evidence.
(And your contention is nonsense).
 
How many is one, ein or uno? They all refer to the VALUE one! A singularity. Without a common denominator language is useless. ☺
 
So still nothing but baseless claims...
The "common denominator" is observation: i.e. we agree on what "one" (or anything else) means.
That doesn't imply "innate language".
 
All words referring to numbers are referring to an innate value. That's why mathematics is a universal language. One refers to a singularity regardless of what language it's in. ☺
 
Throbber said:
All words referring to numbers are referring to an innate value. That's why mathematics is a universal language. One refers to a singularity regardless of what language it's in. ☺
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In other words: f*ck all to do with "innate language".
 
No! How many oranges on the table? One? Ein? Uno? THEY ARE ALL REFERRING TO THE SAME NUMBER OF ORANGES!!! And every word for orange is referring to the same orange for that matter. Pull your finger out Dywydyrr!
 
So STILL nothing to do with "innate language" (which has been your claim all along).
And every word for orange is referring to the same orange for that matter.
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Would that be the third orange from the left on the top row at my local supermarket? Or the one in my sister's fruit bowl?
 
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Ask anyone, in any language, to point to the third orange from the left and they will all highlight the same Orange. This is because they are all referring to THE SAME NUMBER. The same value.
 
Throbber said:
Ask anyone, in any language, to point to the third orange from the left and they will all highlight the same Orange. This is because they are all referring to THE SAME NUMBER. The same value.
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Still sod all to do with "innate language".
 
If you cannot understand this perhaps you should talk with a language expert, see what they have to say about it, if you cannot understand this.
 
Throbber said:
If you cannot understand this perhaps you should talk with a language expert, see what they have to say about it, if you cannot understand this.
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Or, perhaps, you should learn to how to be precise and write exactly what you mean.
And, at the same time, stop making sh*t up that you can't support.
 
It depends on the context. Captain Sensible above could have made the logical argument that, "Orange" is also a colour. Did you mean can a baseball or cricket bat hold a flying rodent??
 
Throbber said:
It depends on the context. Captain Sensible above could have made the logical argument that, "Orange" is also a colour. Did you mean can a baseball or cricket bat hold a flying rodent??
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That's my point. The word itself has no inherent meaning, no "natural" meaning, no mathematical meaning. It's only the context that gives it meaning. Words are mapped to ideas but the lines on the map are arbitrary. You can get to the same place (the idea) from different places and by different routes. There is no inherent "natural" starting place and no inherent "natural" route.
 
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