They don't contradict each other, no.

They're both *equally* wrong.

They are both equally right, in spite of your protestations.

W4U continues to mistake the map for the territory. He thinks the tools we use (mathematics) (i.e. the map) **are** the universe (i.e. the territory).

No, a pencil is a tool for making map. Mathematics are the measurable fundamental relative values on which the map is constructed. The mathematical symbols are descriptive, the mathematical function is real.

Here is your conclusion:

Both words, map and territory, are just descriptive words. A map is not a map, it's merely a description of a territory, but a territory is not a territory, it's merely a description of a territory which is measurable, but the word measurable is merely descriptive of a human observation, which is merely a description....etc, etc, ad nauseum.

W4U (wrong):

"Natural selection **is **a probabilistic mathematical function."

Right:

"Natural selection can be **described by** a probabilistic mathematical function."

Natural selection describes a universal function, but natural selection itself is not a real universal function? What then, pray tell, is natural selection?
W4U (wrong):

"... it [Natural Selection] **is **a statistical accounting of mathematical survival probabilities in relationship to adaption (be in harmony) with one's environment."

Right:

"...it [Natural Selection] can be **described by **a statistical accounting of mathematical survival probabilities in relationship to adaption (be in harmony) with one's environment."

Natural selection is not a universal function? If not, then what, pray tell is natural selection?

According to you we live separate from the world and are only able to describe the world, but the world does not exist as we describe it? That sounds like a biblical metaphor.

Adam and Eve were kicked out of Paradise. Now there is a "descriptive" metaphor which does not exist in reality.

Clearly you are unable to think abstractly. Myopia is rampant in this forum. And I choose the word myopia on purpose.

In your own words, tell me what you believe offers a clear understanding of natutral phenomenon you witnessed.

"OK, your honor, 'blarty frist hoply strumprost", that's all I remember clearly, but it accurately "describes" what I saw"."

"The Laws of Nature" are the recognition of the way things happen in nature. Our symbolic representation of Universal Laws describe the territory.

p.s. "symmetry breaking" is a universal statistical function. Something gets out of balance and the Universal Laws will cause a physical attempt to rebalance the imbalance.

This rebalancing function is of a mathematical nature, by any name.