is it true that the quran says jesus didnt really die on the cross?

billvon said:
You are replying to a post that is three years old. FYI.
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In my defense, someone else brought the thread to the top of the heap though I admit I didn't bother to see when the post I responded to was written.

Thanks for the heads up.
 
Even though they refer to him by name and say "Peace be unto him"?

Sounds like someone has a chip, not a cross to bear.
 
And then the council of Nicaea decided what the "truth" would be. I can't imagine that the Quran is any different, just curated for "proper" behavior in the Hadith.

Religious fervor should be in the DSM...
 
DSM............
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.

Perhaps?
Perhaps not
It rather depends on what actions religious fervor leads to.

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Long ago, I chanced to meet a southern baptist preacher who would be a likely candidate.........whether his problem was religious fervor or ego or low iq or ignorance remains unknown.
 
Have you ever seen a revival tent? Those SOB preachers are there for the money, and don't give one shit for the poor ignorant people writhing in the sawdust. It's the preacher's prey that need help while he's in jail for fraud.
 
I'd forgotten that.

I have seen the horrid things, since I was stuck in the Bible Belt until age 12, when thank God, the Klan ran us out of Mississippi to DC.

Liberation! Art, music, restaurants!
 
Not snarking, a serious question: Do you believe that, for instance, otters have a soul? They are one of our fellow beings, after all.

I've never known any otters personally, but I seriously doubt that they have sectarian wars.

Seems curious to me that all the extant religions claim to be peaceful, yet pogrom and war as almost as common now as they were... What, like last year, going back for the last five thousand?

Which god were they fighting over?
 
It was surely true on the occasions I've seen, so it can't be that rare, and certainly not false on the face of it.

Do you have some reason to think that I lie?
 
sideshowbob said:
I don't think that's true.
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third possibility:
True believers who regard themselves as having special and valuable insight will lie to conversion targets, on the basis that it's for their own good. That used to be a stereotype of the Jesuits, way back - that they deceived for God. It can even function, psychologically, as martyrdom: one risks one''s soul, to save another's. Judas Iscariot is supposed to have done something like that - sacrificed himself, knowingly risked his soul as well as his reputation, to fulfill the prophecies and see to what needed doing.

Feel is that there's a connection with the placebo effect, the white coat bump in medicine's effectiveness.
 
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