Is there a scientific theory that explains the quality of pain in terms of the physical universe?

[Speakpigeon]

And how does that not answer your question? You asked about the subjective quality of pain.

No, I didn't. I asked whether there was a scientific theory that explained the quality of pain in terms of the physical universe. How come you don't understand such a simple question?!

Evolution provides pain as a way to warn an organism away from damage. It is subjectively unpleasant as a result.

That's no explanation of the quality of pain.

How YOU interpret that unpleasant sensation, of course, is up to you.

I'm afraid not. It's not a matter of interpretation. The quality of pain is that it is painful. We all know that because we all had repeated experiences of pain, by ourselves. We all know the painfulness of pain. No interpretation.

We all know it, which means you are all competent here to answer my question. Yet, you choose not to. Not one of you did. Whoa. The degree of dogmatism in this little corner of the Web may be out of the statistical scale but may be not. Your attitude here may be a reflection of a human tendency, tendency which has been best expressed in historical times by the Inquisition and by the Stalinist trials. It has to be fascinating that this little bunch of self-professed representatives of the scientific idea should display with such abandon exactly the same psychological traits as the Popes at the time of Copernicus and Galileo, and as the mignons of Stalin. No wonder Hitler got all the cooperation he needed from the German people.
EB

 

[billvon]

I'm afraid not.

I'm afraid so. The subjective interpretation of pain is just that.

The quality of pain is that it is painful.

That's a circular argument.

Pain is unpleasant. That is the part that evolution provides.
Pain may also be experienced subjectively, beyond being unpleasant. Those subjective experiences are different from person to person.

It has to be fascinating that this little bunch of self-professed representatives of the scientific idea should display with such abandon exactly the same psychological traits as the Popes at the time of Copernicus and Galileo, and as the mignons of Stalin. No wonder Hitler got all the cooperation he needed from the German people.
EB

Ah. We have finally reached the point where you compare yourself to Galileo and everyone else to Hitler. You are such a brilliant special snowflake that only you understand, and we are all persecuting you as a result.

 

[Speakpigeon]

I'm afraid so. The subjective interpretation of pain is just that.

That's a circular argument.

Pain is unpleasant. That is the part that evolution provides.
Pain may also be experienced subjectively, beyond being unpleasant. Those subjective experiences are different from person to person.


Ah. We have finally reached the point where you compare yourself to Galileo and everyone else to Hitler. You are such a brilliant special snowflake that only you understand, and we are all persecuting you as a result.

Your English isn't improving much but your revisionism is good.
EB

 

[Write4U]

I'm afraid not. It's not a matter of interpretation. The quality of pain is that it is painful. We all know that because we all had repeated experiences of pain, by ourselves. We all know the painfulness of pain. No interpretation.

Pain is a pattern of electro/chemical neural stimulation in the brain. It is an emergent experience dependent on the amount of over-stimulation.

It is the pattern of neural stimulation which determines the level of pain.
When pain becomes too great, the brain shuts down and we become unconscious. However our subconscious introspective motor-functions (elsewhere in the brain) continue to regulate the bodily functions.

 

[Truck Captain Stumpy]

at this point I don't know if you're baiting and trolling or a genuinely ignorant philosophy student attempting to comprehend science

If you can't quote what I say and discuss what I say, then there's just no discussion possible

of course, the reciprocal is also true

Idiotic claim without any evidence.

your reply to Ice at post#74.

I don't want to discuss anything,

except philosophy (see above)

I want a straightforward answer to a straightforward question about science

well, you've received several straightforward answers from several posters and you've ignored them all

so, Anyway, thanks for expressing your opinions on the subject. I guess I won't get any cogent answer from you so there's no point insisting.

 

[Write4U]

mignons of Stalin

I have no idea why you used the term "mignon" in your fatally flawed posit. Can you explain from what perspective you decided to use that term?

p.s. I have answered your question in some detail. If you choose to ignore it, that is your mental deficiency, not mine.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

It has to be fascinating that this little bunch of self-professed representatives of the scientific idea should display with such abandon exactly the same psychological traits as the Popes at the time of Copernicus and Galileo, and as the mignons of Stalin.

Freudian slip of phonetic spelling while thinking about material association of pain & the body while thinking about 2 other different things at once ?
fileminyon

moving on by backtracking... (out of my own curiosity RE massive issue around pain medication addiction and associated issues with pain management PTSD ANXIETY Phantom-pain, Hypersensitivity Autism spectrum Asperger and ever increasing forms of medical management of neurology...)

???
I didn't claim here that pain was outside any scientific consideration of it as you assert here. I claimed that pain is a phenomenon people know outside any scientific consideration of it.
So, please explain to me how saying as I did that pain is a phenomenon people know outside any scientific consideration of it implies or is equivalent to claiming that pain is outside any scientific consideration of it, as you just asserted I did.

And then, there's no point looking at the rest of your post until I'm satisfied that you can read my English and understand what I say.
Looking forward to reading your prose.
EB

close to the sidelines is a multi trillion dollar question about managing pain.

also with ever increasing intellectual demand & consequential ability comes an ever increasing scope of "perception" around which the ability to choose specificity of perceptive grounds defines the difference between having the job or not having the job.

the co-pay of the issue is a rather nasty ongoing suffering of many(millions) people resulting in massive numbers of suicides and homicides on an on-going basis(which is why i tend to avoid discussing the subject openly).

as far as i am concerned there is soo much money & politics involved it makes it a toxic subject to discuss outside closed circles.

 

[billvon]

I have no idea why you used the term "mignon" in your fatally flawed posit.

Perhaps he is referring to the filets that Stalin used to eat?

Especially funny after this comment from him:

"Your English isn't improving much"

That's a perfect example of Skitt's Law: "Any post correcting an error in another post will contain at least one similar error itself."

 

[Write4U]

I have no idea why you used the term "mignon" in your fatally flawed posit

Perhaps he is referring to the filets that Stalin used to eat?

Especially funny after this comment from him: "Your English isn't improving much"

That's a perfect example of Skitt's Law: "Any post correcting an error in another post will contain at least one similar error itself."

Thank you Billvon for quoting my little chiding. I had the very same thoughts as I posted that.

 

[Speakpigeon]

I have no idea why you used the term "mignon" in your fatally flawed posit. Can you explain from what perspective you decided to use that term?

p.s. I have answered your question in some detail. If you choose to ignore it, that is your mental deficiency, not mine.

Oops, sorry, my bad. It's a French word.
A "mignon" in French can refer to one of a bunch of effeminate male favorites of King Henri III.
There, you learned something.
You just learned how to admit to using the wrong word. See? No big deal.
Try to remember how it's done.
EB

 

[Speakpigeon]

Freudian slip of phonetic spelling while thinking about material association of pain & the body while thinking about 2 other different things at once ?
fileminyon

No slip as such. See my previous post. More of a mix up between French and English. I would have sworn the word was also an English one. Anyway, it seems a good time for English speakers to start using this historically interesting word.
The rest of our post seems entirely a derail to me (you may have a point but I just don't know)
EB

 

[Speakpigeon]

Perhaps he is referring to the filets that Stalin used to eat?
Especially funny after this comment from him:
"Your English isn't improving much"

Nothing much similar between me using a French word under the impression it was understood in English, as it may have been, and a lot of people around here just consistently failing to understand straightforward sentences in English, or perhaps more likely just ignoring what they mean so as to give vent to their hysterical dogmatism.

That's a perfect example of Skitt's Law: "Any post correcting an error in another post will contain at least one similar error itself."

My comment you quoted wasn't to correct anyone. It was a statement of fact, if you understand what that is. So, you post here is just another example that your English isn't improving much.
Still, you're funny too.
EB

 

[Write4U]

Nothing much similar between me using a French word under the impression it was understood in English, as it may have been, and a lot of people around here just consistently failing to understand straightforward sentences in English, or perhaps more likely just ignoring what they mean so as to give vent to their hysterical dogmatism.

Yes, us mere minions need to pay greater homage to the enlightened one.

 

[exchemist]

Yes, us mere minions need to pay greater homage to the enlightened one.

Yes that's right, "minion" is derived from "mignon", indeed.

 

[billvon]

So, you post here is just another example that your English isn't improving much.

Another perfect example of Skitt's Law.

 

[Speakpigeon]

Freudian slip of phonetic spelling while thinking about material association of pain & the body while thinking about 2 other different things at once ?
fileminyon

Nothing Freudian about it but, yes, you were right after all, it was a phonetic slip in my spelling.
So, I meant the word "minion", which is an English word after all, word that I simply misspelled "mignon", which is broadly the equivalent in French, and from which the English word originated.
That's a better situation than what I thought was the case yesterday. It's easy to mix up French and English spelling and I would have been annoyed to have literally invented an English word.
EB

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If you hold their hand they can't count to ten so they don't scream.
I really have no idea what an "italicized bird" might be but I'm pretty sure it's a bold derail.
EB

Italicized letters are slanted.

 

[Speakpigeon]

Italicized letters are slanted.

You mean "slanted" like "biased"?
Yeah, I agree. A lot of that here.
EB

 

[Write4U]

Italicized letters are slanted.

"Aldoooooooo"!

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Difference between Honda and Hyundai.