Israel begins sell-off of refugees' land

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WillNever said:
No there aren't. There are descendants of the Pequots... but no direct survivors of that burning. The ones today didn't survive anything. Likely there won't be any dealing with the Pequot issue. More likely is that one day almost all of the Native Americans will have blended so far with American culture that they won't even identify themselves as Pequot at all, and life will go on.

As for the Palestinians, some day soon all the first generation muslims who had their homes taken away will be dead and gone... and all that will be left are descendants who will not have the same direct, legit claim to lost lands that their parents did. As time goes on, getting any land will be harder for Palestinians, not easier. :cool:
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So your saying the jews are going to run out the clock so the palestinians should just forget about their rights? They have the same direct legit claim. The fact that some jew is on it now and that their parents are dead doesn't make it any less theirs
 
S.A.M. said:
Maybe, then again, maybe not. The Jews got their mythical claim after 2000 years, even if they had to walk through a sea of dead Jews to get there. Its a cost benefit analysis, how much are you willing to give up to get your rights? Not every Palestinian will be willing to pay the price. And they shouldn't. But the Jewish state will dissolve under the weight of its own crimes and take Judaism with it. That will be what the Jews will pay for their land.
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I suppose anything is remotely possible, but the state of Israel dissolving? Probably not, but if it does, it will happen in a period so different from now, centuries maybe, when people's national identity shifts from religious grounds to cultural grounds. That's the the way that most of the world is headed right now. The USA and Europe and most other "Westernized," mainly white-skinned countries like Canada, Austrailia, Israel, etc. will probably never directly war with each other again, due to an increasing feeling of cultural solidarity, and places that are seen as "odd" will feel the same way. The world is slowly but surely moving away from an emphasis on religious differences and more on differences in lifestyle.
 
I think it will happen much sooner than you think. It will implode in the next 50 years if not sooner. Probably, the Americans will have to bomb them into submission, eventually. Unless the Israelis rush into national suicide, which seems more likely given what is happening now. I pity the Palestinians having to share their living space with people who shoot their children in the head.
 
S.A.M. said:
I think it will happen much sooner than you think. It will implode in the next 50 years if not sooner. Probably, the Americans will have to bomb them into submission, eventually. Unless the Israelis rush into national suicide, which seems more likely given what is happening now. I pity the Palestinians having to share their living space with people who shoot their children in the head.
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As opposed to Israelis having to live with fanatics who strap bombs to their children to blow themselves AND other people up..? :cool:
 
People blow themselves up in despair. But anyone who shoots a one year old child in the head or chest and goes home to his mythology is in no position to judge anyone. There is a solution for despair, justice. There is no solution for the evil that targets helpless children with cold deliberation for a mythological cult.
 
They are blowing other people up, not just themselves. They are blowing children up (both their children and the children of others), and that is quite demented. When people see and hear about these things, they tend to react with less sympathy, not more.
 
"Hence they are not in the IDF anymore."

But they show things changing. All sorts of people (even distant-relation Jews) are finding ways. Even me- I want to share a piece of the holy land, too. Maybe just for a while, while I'm alive and I think it's possible.
 
WillNever said:
They are blowing other people up, not just themselves. They are blowing children up (both their children and the children of others), and that is quite demented. When people see and hear about these things, they tend to react with less sympathy, not more.
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Give them missiles so they can blow up children from the air and they will stop, in fact, they were quite surprised that it was considered wrong of them to use themselves as missile carriers in the absence of planes. Once they did, they stopped. When was the last suicide bombing?
 
Sam: "Or are they willing to serve in the parts that have already been ethnically cleansed of Palestinians?"

I don't think so. It's change, Sam. Not as swift as you want, but nobody can keep up with you, anyway.
 
hypewaders said:
Sam: "Or are they willing to serve in the parts that have already been ethnically cleansed of Palestinians?"

I don't think so. It's change, Sam. Not as swift as you want, but nobody can keep up with you, anyway.
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Thats because they don't travel, I bet these refuseniks went out and came back in and saw it differently. Its hard to smell the crap if you're living in it.
 
Nay SAM, murdering innocents is ALWAYS wrong... regardless of what your reasons are, what your religion is, or the method by which you do it. It is wrong for the Israelis to kill individuals who didn't harm anybody... but that does not make it okay for Palestinians to kill OTHER individuals who didn't harm anybody. Placing collective responsibility on a group of people who don't act collectively is the only way that one can condone indiscriminate killing of human beings... and anyone who supports that is also supporting murder.
 
Of course murdering innocents is wrong. Thats why the Palestinians stopped. The Israelis never did. Like you, as long as the victims are kept nameless and faceless, they don't care and hence ensure that the victims have no stories anywhere.
 
Most Israelis have never killed anybody, SAM. This is a case of you assigning collective responsiblity to a group of people who don't collectively act as one. :cool:
 
Or want to- at least that's the overwhelming impression I've had of the Israelis I've known. Well, not always around here, but mostly.
 
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