LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions).

Jumping to conclusions?
No. The Crow is still frozen.

I'm not sure.
It would depend on how much Industrial Heat have paid for the rights to Rossi's work.
If it's a small sum, then it's a high odds bet with little outlay.
If it isn't a small amount, then they will have good reasons to invest.

Added later.
I believe it to be speculation, but it isn't a low cost punt.
According to this article Industrial Heat have raised 11.6 Million,
which is not a fantastic sum, but not chickenfeed either.
Darden has spoken positively recently about the company.

I would guess that Rossi has made a deal based on a percentage of future profits.

Industrial Heat raised $11.6 million last year, and has been quiet about what’s happening with Rossi’s new energy catalyzer.

Until now.

Darden lets us in on the two words that sold him on the technology: “Air pollution.”

Why he invested:

“I’m serious — it’s about air pollution and coal,” Darden says. “Our company is called Industrial Heat. Our job is to make industrial heat and industrial heat is made by coal… We don’t think any energy should be made by coal, so that’s why I’m doing this. This could be a way to eliminate the use of coal.”

While he acknowledges that no technology takes off without the numbers to attract financial investment – he says he’s not in it for the money. He’s in it for the potential the technology has to solve the air pollution conundrum.

“This might be the answer,” he says, pointing to solar plus battery storage as another technology he’s watching heavily.

http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle...nvestor-darden-still-bullish-on.html?page=all
 
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What bothers me about all of this never-ending 'LENR' hysteria on Sciforums is that it's always an argument from authority. We never see the technical details being released to the scientific community and the results being replicated. And we never see the things appearing on the market and indisputably working. Instead it's always a strangely vague and cryptic endorsement from somebody or something supposedly so credible that everyone else should just put their skepticism aside and believe.

NASA! Some European university! Now it's some venture capitalist.

My own opinion of venture capitalists is that sometimes they are great judges of a new companys' prospects. And sometimes they aren't. Here in Silicon Valley where I live, there are no end of entrepeneurs whose start-ups have no chance in hell of succeeding, while their founders live very well indeed on funding they've obtained from VCs. When the funding dries up (earnings? what's that?) the entrepeneur either has already paid himself enough to retire, or starts up another new company with a cool new concept, and looks for another VC to fund it. It's a way of life in Santa Clara County.

In other words, funding something in hopes that it will someday succeed should never become a substitute for its actually succeeding.

If this 'LENR' thing ever works commercially (I personally believe that has an extremely low probability) then this Darden guy will look like a genius. It it doesn't, he won't. (Apparently Rossi's already made his millions off of it, so he's looking good either way.)

The point is, we won't really know that it works (whether commercially or just scientifically, in principle) until the day comes when it objectively and unambiguously does.

Until then it's just another appeal to faith.
 
If you like live, open science... then order in the popcorn and take a peek:
Constructive criticism is welcomed and encouraged.
 
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Hey, look - this thread's back! And still no cold fusion!

Why am I so excited! This is boring! And makes me feel dumb just for contributing to this nonsense!
 
If you like live, open science... then order in the popcorn and take a peek:
Constructive criticism is welcomed and encouraged.

No Alexis, I won't "order in the popcorn". On principle, I do not waste my time on YouTube videos without a very good explanation first of why I should. This is because YouTube is well known to be full of shite. A YouTube video is worth zero in a scientific discussion.
 
Constructive criticism is welcomed and encouraged.
Didn't watch the whole six hours. But for a quick summary:
Scientists put a device together, fed a lot of electricity into it and it got hot. This doesn't seem very popcorn-worthy.
 
Didn't watch the whole six hours. But for a quick summary:
Scientists put a device together, fed a lot of electricity into it and it got hot. This doesn't seem very popcorn-worthy.

Good summary billvon.
exchemist, please accept my apologies... it was a quick post... i am also adverse to YouTube videos.

Briefly, the YouTube link was for a live attempted replication of 'Rossi's E-cat', and as stated by billvon "it got hot"... with no excess heat!
The group of individuals involved in this and other similar experiments are collectively known as the 'Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project', they have a website here: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/
and a facebook page here:
https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

They perform live open science... anyone can watch, comment, suggest or ridicule... they are non-profit and have the requisite nerdy humour... and have no massive ego's to protect.
If, like me, you are long in the tooth, and remember getting your hands dirty... then a steady supply of popcorn should be ordered, just kick back and enjoy!
Just to reiterate ... MFMP have yet to demonstrate 'excess heat'.
 
Good summary billvon.
exchemist, please accept my apologies... it was a quick post... i am also adverse to YouTube videos.

Briefly, the YouTube link was for a live attempted replication of 'Rossi's E-cat', and as stated by billvon "it got hot"... with no excess heat!
The group of individuals involved in this and other similar experiments are collectively known as the 'Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project', they have a website here: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/
and a facebook page here:
https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

They perform live open science... anyone can watch, comment, suggest or ridicule... they are non-profit and have the requisite nerdy humour... and have no massive ego's to protect.
If, like me, you are long in the tooth, and remember getting your hands dirty... then a steady supply of popcorn should be ordered, just kick back and enjoy!
Just to reiterate ... MFMP have yet to demonstrate 'excess heat'.

OK, Alexis thanks for clarifying. I applaud the openness of these people, certainly. But I still suspect that the whole LENR business is, as has often been suggested, an example of "zombie science". In other words it is a social phenomenon, arising out the way science is done in society and the various elements of allegiance, psychology etc that inevitably arise from that, rather than a truly valid subject of study.

P.S. I don't like popcorn much - too much like eating loft insulation.

Happy New Year.
 
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