What happens if the missile came from Russian territory? There are reports of Russian aircraft attacking Ukrainian aircraft.
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The plane was flying over the area where the Russian troops are based and are fighting from. This are use to be part of the Ukraine but is now under Russian control. So to answer your question yes the plane was over Russian held land when it was shot down. The only other aircraft shot down were Ukrainian fighters and cargo planes so no Ukrainian missiles had been used to shoot down a Russian plane or have never been used during this war at all.
Ukraine does operate some Buk carriers, apparently - probably inherited from the Russians. Anyone have a map of the exact crash location? Searching for things on Google is like neurosurgery with a fucking shotgun sometimes.
Note in that link under combat service - same fucking triggerhappy Buk crew that shot down the Ukranian AN-26? Seems likely. Fucking idiots, popping a shot at a goddamn blip on the scope.
Two systems apparently spotted the impact on electronics, so an SAM is a cert, anyway.
Note in that link under combat service - same fucking triggerhappy Buk crew that shot down the Ukranian AN-26? Seems likely. Fucking idiots, popping a shot at a goddamn blip on the scope.
Two systems apparently spotted the impact on electronics, so an SAM is a cert, anyway.
Well, the Ukrainians have no need to shoot down aircraft as Russian irregulars operating in Ukraine have do not yet have jet aircraft or aircraft of any kind. The only aircraft flying in Ukraine are either Ukrainian or international civilian flights. The Malaysian airliner was shot down near the Russian border…a few miles from the Russian border in territory held by Russian irregular forces. There are reports the Buk weapon weapons system used in this attack was confiscated in the Crimea by Russians when they invaded Crimea earlier this year, moved through Russia and given to Russian irregular forces operating in Eastern Ukraine. If this turns out to be true, and the reporting sources appear to be very credible, this will be devastating.
Contrary to Putin’s previous claims, you don’t go down to your local hardware store and pick up a Buk weapons system on the side along with the training needed to operate the system. There are reports the weapon used has been towed back into Russia where it will likely be dismantled.
Yet another neatly organized provocation by US controlled Ukraine forces. And all the US media has already put blame on Russia without giving a shit about reality or facts or investigations. This is disgusting and whoever gets to the black box first will re-write the recordings to their own political agenda needs.
Dude, what "Russian troops" are you talking about? Pro-Russian rebels who are fighting for their lands are not Russian troops. And this Buk launcher was in the hands of Ukrainian troops, they are the ones assaulting the territory there.
reports pulled out of your ass or where? Where are the facts not some US politician claim to prolong his rusophobic agendas in White House, but actual facts?
Oh, and do you have any supporting proofs? No, just your Stalin era paranoia…as previously stated the airliner fell in territory held by Russian irregular forces. They have the black boxes. Modern airliners have more than one black box. The West is urging Russia to open up the crash site to investigation. Thus far, Russia (i.e. Putin) has not responded to that request.
The West does have proofs. It has radar signatures. It has recordings of Russian irregulars and regular forces operating in Eastern Ukraine and Russia. It could identify the specific Buk system used, if Mother Russia would open itself up for inspection. But as I said before, intelligence indicates the system has been moved back in the Russia and is likely being disassembled.
Russian (i.e. Putin) could end this very easily. He could stop supplying arms, men, and food to his irregular forces operating in Eastern Ukraine. He could withdraw his irregular forces from Eastern Ukraine and it would end overnight.
Opened up what site? This plane crashed in Ukraine, Russia has nothing to do with their shit. The Ukrainian forces (under patronage of US) have invaded Donetsk region and have taken over the BUK systems.
They are not "Russian irregular forces", they are Ukranians who are fighting for their land that is being assaulted by illegitimate inserted government in Kiev.
Radar signatures? Fine show me the proof of the trajectory and the black box recordings (unaltered) and the recordings from other planes in region.
In past Ukraine shot down civilian airlines before:
Siberian Airlines Flight SB 1812
October 4, 2001
78 Dead
Shot down by Ukraine S-200
American (i.e. Obama) could end this very easily. He could stop financing arms, men through Blackwater-like companies, and money to this fake inserted Mandan government. He could GTFO from a country he has no business being in and withraw his monetary support and sanctions to Russia. This is going to be another failed Syria, he is not going to get the pie. GTFO. I am speaking from entire Russian nation and I know how Russians feel about this whole thing and we will not tolerate this much longer. So while Obama is playing his games and provocations and etc. Time to pay for the sins will come.
Yes, Ukraine accidentally shot down a Siberian Airlines flight during military training operations. But Mother Russia (AKA Soviet Union) has also shot down civilian airliners in the not too distant past and they it wasn't by accident. They shot down two Korean Airlines airliners loaded with passengers. Donetsk is Ukrainian territory, it's kind of difficult to invade your own territory. This gets to the point of Putin (Russian) taking what isn't his. Ukraine is a free and independent sovereign state, as much as that troubles you and Putin.
Yeah, the airliner crashed in Ukrainian territory. Now remove your Russian irregular and regular forces from the area and independent authorities could get in there and examine the crash site and collect the bodies and return them to their families.
The "independent" authorities will be from NATO controlled countries, who are mostly answering to the vibe set by US to put sanctions on Russia, they have no need for information that might go against their agendas in the region.
You want to remember when Soviet forces accidentally shot down Korean Airline plane (that carried spy equipment)? Fine.
Lets remember the downing of Iranian Civil Airbus A300 in 1988 by US.
In the Russian ambassador's address to the UN he blames the Ukranian government for not warning off commercial aircraft. Seems a bit silly if the Russians don't recognize Ukranian sovereignty over the territory from which the plane was shot down.
Also, shouldn't Malaysian airlines be held responsible for flying over Ukraine in the first place? Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Also, shouldn't Malaysian airlines be held responsible for flying over Ukraine in the first place? Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Ah, no. This may come as a surprise to you, but everything isn’t run by NATO. NATO does not control countries. It serves countries. You have it backwards. The International Civil Aviation Organization is the rightful independent investigative body of which NATO states like Mother Russia, Cuba, and China are members. The International Civil Aviation Organization is much larger than just NATO states.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Civil_Aviation_Organization#Membership
Soviet forces shot down multiple airliners which carried civilians and no spy equipment – one of them damn minor details. Yes the US did down an Iranian civil airliner when it approached a US warship which was on alert due to numerous Iranian provocations. After several attempts by the warship to hail the airliner on international frequencies, the airliner failed to respond and the US warship acted appropriately to defend the ship. The US warship thought the Iranian airliner was a missile. Iranians were playing with a snake and they got bit. The US also admitted to the shooting and it voluntarily paid reparations to the families. The US didn’t hide. It didn’t lie about the incident.
But none of that has anything to do with this incident, nor does it justify anything Putin is doing in Ukraine.
Nothing justifies what Putin has done in Ukraine. This Malaysian flight was off course. It flew north of its planned route to avoid weather. That shouldn't be a death sentence.
Flew off course? The Ukrainian dispatchers told it to lower its altitude and go that area where it got downed. Don't be a fool, this was a planned coordinated plot.
Putin has saved Crimea from war, that is what he has done. He has saved the vast majority of Russians from participating in this entourage devised by the CIA&USAID.
The downing of Yanukovich, showed just how much US has infiltrated into the military and governing forces of the government, corrupting the system in its entirety.
Nothing Justifies what USA is doing in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria, and now Ukraine. Starting revolutions for the sake of control of resources or political agendas with use of complete infiltration of government structures, utilization of private armies, and terrorist tactics.
Didn't mean to suggest otherwise.
But did they really have to fly over Ukraine? Well, at least they enjoyed a nice smooth ride before they we're blown out of the sky.
Of course they had to fly right over Ukraine and right over the Donetsk and right over the "terrorists" which would most definitely take out the plane at more than 10,000 meters with their primitive Soviet old junk weapons and than get entirely blamed for being true "terrorists" by the entire world. HOW F* CONVENIENT.