Near death experiences

Do you think that Black Holes are involved in recycling of energy and matter?

  • No

    Votes: 3 50.0%
  • Yes

    Votes: 2 33.3%
  • Perhaps????

    Votes: 1 16.7%

  • Total voters
    6
"There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, / Than are dreamt of in your philosophy"

There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio

sooo was he talking about natural stuff and when he got to

Than are dreamt of in your philosophy

he was taking about dreams (ie supernatural) stuff?

There's the rub

:)
 
There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio

sooo was he talking about natural stuff and when he got to

Than are dreamt of in your philosophy

he was taking about dreams (ie supernatural) stuff?

There's the rub

:)
aye
there's the rub

if we deny or disparage what we do not know are we wise

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I been rewiring the kitchen in preparation for getting our first electric dishwasher
it is past my normal bedtime and I am chugging whiskey and reading this

may i dream of pretty women and .......................................................
 
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The brain is awfully powerful
Very true

Fairly sure some controlled test have been conducted (to lazy to Google) but from memory those claiming out of body... floating near ceiling... etc etc were ask about the $20 banknote on top of the Medical Cabinet

None had noticed???? Guess if you're listening to god telling you to go back you might miss it

Still mean of god not to mention it

Psssst when you get back there is a $20 banknote on top of the Medical Cabinet for you to claim

:)
 
if we deny or disparage what we do not know are we wise

Ummmmm Please explain how I can deny OR disparage WHAT I AM UNAWARE OF?

Today I will deny (goes into deep thinking mode)
Damn can't think of anything I don't know

Perhaps I will play a game on the computer, which is not installed on the computer

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Got it

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Ummmmm Please explain how I can deny OR disparage WHAT I AM UNAWARE OF?

Today I will deny (goes into deep thinking mode)
Damn can't think of anything I don't know

Perhaps I will play a game on the computer, which is not installed on the computer

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Got it

:)
ok
that does seem quite common

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well, the whiskey is kicking in
off to bed
thanx for the .........................................................................................................................................
 
no
many years
hunting without intent
and
I put a lot of meat on the table and in the freezer
What does that even mean?

You wander off into the woods with your gun thinking... what? Oh, I'm just going to go for a walk. Maybe I'll shoot an animal; maybe I won't. But my carrying this rifle into the woods says nothing about my intent to shoot something and eat it.

Is that how hunting without intent works for you?
it may just be mystical thinking
or it may not
"There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, / Than are dreamt of in your philosophy"
Well, I'm skeptical, as you know.
the trick is in being ready to take the shot when it presents itself
don't anticipate it
wait for it
let it happen
then, when it does,
act
You don't think that maybe lots of practice at shooting things just makes you a better shot?
 
wegs:

That makes sense, but I believe that we have a ''soul'' so to speak from a spiritual perspective.
What does the soul do that is different from what brains do? How can you tell that a soul is involved, rather than just a brain?

However, I don't put much stock in the ''outer body experiences,'' and such. It would be interesting to see if ''outer body experiences'' could be tested in controlled settings, maybe that would lend some credibility.
Some studies have been done to test claims such as "remote viewing". Well controlled studies find no reliable effect. But there are also unfortunately quite a few poorly-controlled studies that have reported positive findings, which confuse the issue.

One's perception of reality while under extreme duress can take many turns. The brain is awfully powerful.
Yes.

In fact, one's perception of reality, even under normal conditions, is limited and unreliable in lots of ways. People often overestimate the powers of their own perception.
 
confuse the issue
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People often overestimate the powers of their own perception.

e.g easy example most people can relate to .... american culture "fake it till you make it"

out of interest,(e.g not i.e) how is that rewarded
it must be rewarded as in kind the "over estimation" in some ways to endorse the continued prevalence.

it is likely that religious indoctrination of society delivers a higher level of need for over estimation
(thinking out loud)

one could easily argue that concept to conform to spectator effect
though there must be some evolutional drive to seek concilitational feelings once inside a group to enable species survival

overt need to assign a leader of any group
suggests heavily genetic evolutionary drives

equally
then Near Death Experiences concurrently assign singular authority to a higher level to endorse a feeling of safety and control

a pre disposition to hallucinate in a positive manner may create better species and breeding survival than a mad panic response to live in a state of extreme fear & paranoia
 
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[QUOTE="wegs, post: 3669976, member: 270231 That makes sense, but I believe that we have a ''soul'' so to speak from a spiritual perspective. However, I don't put much stock in the ''outer body experiences,'' and such. It would be interesting to see if ''outer body experiences'' could be tested in controlled settings, maybe that would lend some credibility. For now though, I'd say it's something biological/internal that is happening, and not the work of paranormal ''forces.'' One's perception of reality while under extreme duress can take many turns. The brain is awfully powerful. [/QUOTE]

Observation . In NDE . The soul is observing events , from Above .
 
river
in no small part
it is partially about focus
the tighter you focus, the less you see
and, not just with the eyes (perhaps it is form of prejudice?)
freeing the mind from intent, most likely, allows it to more quickly asses the moment
and maybe
just maybe
animals can sense intent?
I have helped wounded animals heal, and they did not attack me---I think they sensed intent
 
river
in no small part
it is partially about focus
the tighter you focus, the less you see
and, not just with the eyes (perhaps it is form of prejudice?)
freeing the mind from intent, most likely, allows it to more quickly asses the moment
and maybe
just maybe
animals can sense intent?
I have helped wounded animals heal, and they did not attack me---I think they sensed intent

Agreed , the Generalist , see the bigger picture .

I think so as well . For a wounded animal to not bite anything that comes close to it is rare .
 
wegs:


What does the soul do that is different from what brains do? How can you tell that a soul is involved, rather than just a brain?


Some studies have been done to test claims such as "remote viewing". Well controlled studies find no reliable effect. But there are also unfortunately quite a few poorly-controlled studies that have reported positive findings, which confuse the issue.


Yes.

In fact, one's perception of reality, even under normal conditions, is limited and unreliable in lots of ways. People often overestimate the powers of their own perception.


I just grabbed one of Write4U's posts... and took it over here because I think that after the twelve minute mark in this TED lecture
we get set up rather nicely for some obvious questions that hit me as I read more about what near death experiencers report.


http://www.sciforums.com/threads/is...s-in-microtubules.161187/page-95#post-3670167

A little confirmation of the current interest in consciousness as a scientific discipline.

Why do people who come back from a near death experience report an increase in all of their senses?
They report heightened sight, hearing, smell, and feelings of both pleasure and pain.
Those in the twenty some percent of people who report the out of body experience during a NDE
report even an ability to take in astounding amounts of information, much more so than while they were in the body.

I really like the lecturer's idea that "Consciousness is fundamental!"

Is the consciousness that we human beings experience almost like a "clone" given to us from a much more ancient consciousness that would in fact be the first real form of "life" to develop and to begin to evolve?????



http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html
"How did we come into Spiritual existence?

"My guides showed me a time we call
the beginning of Creation. Just as I observed the formation of my own unique Spirit, later there was a huge explosion, coming from an amazing looking, singing, pulsing, Joy-filled ball of bright Golden-White Light! I knew that I had always been very much a part of this Great Light, as have the rest of us. From this Orb of Light exploding, I found myself happily and quite excitedly hurling through space and time arriving safely in a perfect place of peace and amazing splendor. I knew immediately that this place was geared toward the expansion and education of every Soul that came there. Today I call this space, "The Realm" and it is here that we are assisted by many wise beings and Elders while we are being helped to complete much training and soulish expansion. (Christian Andreason
, chapter 2 of his online book)
 
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I just had this sent to me:


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/03/210323131230.htm

'Zombie' genes? Research shows some genes come to life in the brain after death
Post-mortem changes may shed light on important brain studies
Date:
March 23, 2021
Source:
University of Illinois at Chicago
Summary:
Researchers analyzed gene expression in fresh brain tissue and found that gene expression in some cells actually increased after death.
 
Once inside a black hole, nothing ever comes out. (As much as we know about black holes) So, I doubt black holes would be good “tools” for recycling.

What does the “near death experience” have to do with this idea?


If it is true that we are living in a Multiverse......
if moments in the past are fully replicated and new time lines spun off
with the addition of more of the Holy Spirit to inspire a higher percentage of us
toward altruism.......

then the existence of many Black Holes could imply the recycling of the energy left over from one time line....
into a possible new time line.....

Mellen Benedict was shown during his near death experiencer that Black Holes were the great recyclers of energy.


Time’s arrow
Hawking was studying the work of Roger Penrose, which proved that if Einstein’s general theory of relativity is correct, at the heart of every black hole must be a point where space and time themselves break down – a singularity. Hawking realised that if time’s arrow were reversed, the same reasoning would hold true for the universe as a whole. Under Sciama’s encouragement, he worked out the maths and was able to prove it: the universe according to general relativity began in a singularity.

Hawking was well aware, however, that Einstein didn’t have the last word. General relativity, which describes space and time on a large scale, doesn’t take into account quantum mechanics, which describes matter’s strange behaviour at much smaller scales. Some unknown “theory of everything” was needed to unite the two. For Hawking, the singularity at the universe’s origin did not signal the breakdown of space and time; it signalled the need for quantum gravity.

Luckily, the link that he forged between Penrose’s singularity and the singularity at the big bang provided a key clue for finding such a theory. If physicists wanted to understand the origin of the universe, Hawking had just shown them exactly where to look: a black hole.

Black holes were a subject ripe for investigation in the early 1970s. Although Karl Schwarzschild had found such objects lurking in the equations of general relativity back in 1915, theoreticians viewed them as mere mathematical anomalies and were reluctant to believe they could actually exist.



Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/articl...en-hawking-a-legacy-of-paradox/#ixzz6qdaTbNBn
A brief history of Stephen Hawking: A legacy of paradox

I am making the assumption that this idea of Black Holes as being 'great recyclers" could have value.


When I realized this I was finished with the Void, and wanted to return to this creation, or Yuga. It just seemed like the natural thing to do. Then I suddenly came back through the second Light, or the Big Bang, hearing several more velvet booms. I rode the stream of consciousness back through all of creation, and what a ride it was! The super clusters of galaxies came through me with even more insights. I passed through the center of our galaxy, which is a black hole. Black holes are the great processors or recyclers of the Universe. Do you know what is on the other side of a Black Hole? We are; our galaxy, which has been reprocessed from another Universe. In its total energy configuration, the galaxy looked like a fantastic city of lights. All energy this side of the Big Bang is light. Every sub atom, atom, star, planet, even consciousness itself is made of light and has a frequency and/or particle. Light is living stuff. Everything is made of light, even stones. So everything is alive. Everything is made from the Light of God; everything is very intelligent.
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/articl...en-hawking-a-legacy-of-paradox/#ixzz6qdfqfY7Y

So... is there any connection between the idea of a Black Hole reprocessing our universe from another universe.. with the reports of seemingly other time lines.... that seem to diverge from a point in our history????

https://www.near-death.com/science/research/future.html#a03
3. The future is not fixed and can change
 
If it is true that we are living in a Multiverse......
if moments in the past are fully replicated and new time lines spun off
with the addition of more of the Holy Spirit to inspire a higher percentage of us
toward altruism.......

then the existence of many Black Holes could imply the recycling of the energy left over from one time line....
into a possible new time line.....

Mellen Benedict was shown during his near death experiencer that Black Holes were the great recyclers of energy.




I am making the assumption that this idea of Black Holes as being 'great recyclers" could have value.




So... is there any connection between the idea of a Black Hole reprocessing our universe from another universe.. with the reports of seemingly other time lines.... that seem to diverge from a point in our history????

https://www.near-death.com/science/research/future.html#a03
3. The future is not fixed and can change
But, I wonder how recycling can take place if nothing ever comes out of a black hole? :?
 
But, I wonder how recycling can take place if nothing ever comes out of a black hole? :?
From memory not quite nothing

Some radiation boils off ?? Hawkin's correct if I'm wrong please

Today is memory testing day. Trying not to Google day :)
Brain workout.gif
:)
 
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