only to you who clearly doesn't live in the same world as the rest of us normal folk
How many prescriptions do you have?
pjdude1219
troaty mouth best song ever (13,503 posts)
Brainwashed, thoroughly.
only to you who clearly doesn't live in the same world as the rest of us normal folk
I fail to see the relevance.How many prescriptions do you have?
pjdude1219
troaty mouth best song ever (13,503 posts)
Brainwashed, thoroughly.
That was the other law. Both equate to losing the argument. Good job.
its a joke. I know its confusing but I'm sure you will figure it out.
Wow.
Are all of you reading off the same cue card? Sounds familiar.
Yes. You are all reading off the same cue card.
Obama's actions are not dependent on any previous president.
They all answer for themselves, not as a collective.
Does it have to do with you and "troaty" a long snake-like thing all the way down?
Is that why you have such trouble with your spelling and grammar and punctuation?
How "long" till James R "slenders" in here and gives us his "2" cents?!?!?
USURPER OBAMA. There is nothing else to say.
I forgot your the nut job who thinks that Obama is a usurper because the majority that elected him doesn't agree with your politics. no Obama acted with in the constitution. just because you don't like it doesn't make it unconstitutional
true but there is no need to as it was a legal act
you see their is this amazing little legal concept. its call precedent. learn about it
Both Republicans and Democrats supported Bush's war. Was Bush's war constitutional? If it was did its 'constitutionality' make it an action hinged to wisdom? Is it actions like this or keeping troops on the ground in Iraq or vamping up military action in Afghanistan that earns Obama a Nobel Peace prize? Why can't you see that Giambattista is pointing out the hypocrisy in those who support Obama as an agent of change.:shrug: Whether Giam supports a republican or not doesn't change the fact there are many who continue to look at Obama through rose colored glasses and excuse every criticism. It doesn't help that the new way to deflect criticism directed towards Obama is it call all naysayers either a 'teabagger' or 'racist', a tactic just as counterproductive to dialogue as right wingers calling anyone who supports health care a socialist.
Joepistole said:
The jury is out on Obama's war in Libya.
How many prescriptions do you have?
After all, LaRouche is sort of a left-wing icon.
# A crash program to build particle beam weapons and lasers, including support for elements of the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI);[15][16]
# Colonization of the planet Mars by 2025;[19][20][21]
# The screening and quarantine of AIDS patients;[22]
# Growth in food production and a farm debt moratorium;[23]
# Low interest rates and opposition to the Gramm-Rudman balanced-budget law;[24]
# Opposition to environmentalism,[22] health maintenance organizations,[25] outcome-based education,[26] gay rights,[22] abortion,[27] and the nuclear dismarmament movement.[22]
LaRouche holds no cred for me, Giambattista. The guy is nuts... and as a nut, I would say LaRouche has no insight into his own nuttiness. The guy's intelligent, yes, and charismatic, but not sane.LaRouche's organization opposed the Obama administration's health care reform proposals, and its comparisons of U.S. President Barack Obama to German dictator Adolf Hitler in 2009 generated controversy. The LaRouche movement has printed pamphlets with a picture on the front showing Obama and Hitler laughing together, and have made posters of Obama wearing a Hitler-style mustache.
Chimpkin said:
La Rouche stopped being a left-wing icon in the 60's and is now more of a far-right person ....
Dude, his entire Presidency is completely dependent on the nature of the office - the institutionalized powers and privileges of the Presidency he was elected into. Those are very much dependent on W&Cheney and the rest of the Reagan era innovators.giambattista said:Obama's actions are not dependent on any previous president.
I hope you remember that the next time the Israeli's build another settlement.
• LaRouche's dimensions are more purely insane than left or right.
And you'll notice that any productive parts of the discussion are avoiding the fallacious agitation.
Why can't you see that Giambattista is pointing out the hypocrisy in those who support Obama as an agent of change.
Obama hasn't been much of an agent of change-I pretty much expected that when I saw his lame-o cabinet picks, before he entered office. Obama supports the status quo of the slowly sinking country.
Those who are still impressed by the guy...well, I don't get it...but McCain would have been worse, so meh... What can you expect from a bought-off system?
To consider a different tack, Joe, look at the attack itelf. Giambattista is simply test-marketing his latest obnoxious persona. I mean, really, by the time anyone gets around to making LaRouche a central pillar of the discussion, we know we are in dubious territory.
After all, LaRouche is sort of a left-wing icon. Reagan Republicans and other Cold War conservatives needed him. With someone like Lyndon LaRouche around, the capitalists could always comfortably keep up their scare lie about how screwy liberals are. And, to the other, we might shake our heads, then, and wonder how it is that Sarah Palin, the Tea Party in general, and other right-wing, LaRouchy-looking whack jobs have become so prominent in our culture.
It's hilarious in a way: LaRouche, the bogeyman, is irrelevant to American politics. His right-wing version, Ron Paul, actually gets elected, wins GOP straw polls from time to time, and has a viable chance to establish a genuine political dynasty in America. Sarah Palin, with her winkydink, Alaskan sort of LaRouchieness, was a veep candidate, and though I'm still convinced the only reason anyone talks about her as a presidential candidate is that Democrats are really, really hoping for that chance to scrap with the b— ... er ... the mama pit bull. Really, if politics wasn't the height of American humor noir°, nobody would tolerate the right wing's extreme silliness. Putting a LaRouchey face on the discussion only reinforces the bigoted stereotype that Lyndon LaRouche is actually relevant.
Those who think they see hypocrisy in supporting the Libya action while rejecting the Iraqi Bush Adventure implicitly assert that the two military endeavors are comparable. And, to be certain, they are: They both involve American service personnel blowing shit up.
That's it. Really, that's all there is. That is the only commonality. And for those asserting such hypocrisy, that is good enough.
And I suppose it should be enough for the liberals, too, if every liberal can be reasonably presumed to be an absolute pacifist.
Fewer of us than people tend to think are absolute pacifists. Unfortunately, reality gets in the way, and we invent stupid words like "deescalation".
Or should that be dêescalation?
Never mind.
At any who, I figure one thing that would help with this sort of discussion would be if those accusing hypocrisy could establish for us exactly what hypocrisy they're accusing. Because I feel like I would be insulting those folks to simply presume that the only common aspect between this, that, and the other is the fact that American armed service personnel performed acts of violence somewhere in the world. They must be seeing something else, and unlike the elusive constitutional considerations, these really can be the sorts of things that are true simply because they say so.
I mean, we get it. Everything is the same. And whether we agree with their reasons for seeing the world that way or not is irrelevant.
If it's important enough to them, I don't see why its expression should be so elusive. Certainly, they will make their points clearly, eventually°.
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Notes:
° humor noir — Also known as "black comedy", referring originally to satire regarding death, but more commonly in the twenty-first century accenting absurdity and cruelty across a grim spectrum of considerations, as well as highlighting such traits in characters and audiences alike. In the U.S., many already use the phrase "dark comedy" in order to distinguish between the genre coined André Breton in 1935 and the idea that Martin Lawrence is funny. In considering American presidential and political absurdity, though, it is probably best to stick with humor noir, lest someone lecture us on the hypocrisy of liberals using words like "black" or "dark".
° certainly ... eventually — Says the Screaming Trees:
Oh, should I go or stay if I hear lies?
I feel them burnin' me in the back of my eyes.
And I see it all the time,
Visions scarin' me inside;
Half a simple day and night—
Should I stay or should I hide?
Black sun morning
Coming up to greet the dawn.
Black sun morning
Coming up to greet us all.
Now I've been hearing the US won't be getting out of this Libya mess until it has ended with Qaddafi being removed. That will take allot of time and more bombing of tanks, trucks and people as well. I was told that this was a "humanitarian" mission to save peoples lives but here we are killing thousands of them anyway.:shrug: