Omniscient & omnipotent at the same time?
- Thread starter fess
- Start date
Seattle
Valued Senior Member
True enough, you just would set up the future that way in the first place but I think, in the religious sense, the idea was that God was everywhere (and therefore could see what you were doing) and he was all powerful (and could therefore undo anything that you had planned or done so doing even try).
davewhite04
Valued Senior Member
What if Love was a circle? It was never ending. Forget our feeble brains, it's not about winning the lottery, it's about what we ultimately are? We'd know the entrance and we'd know the exit, does it matter what happens in between?
DaveC426913
Valued Senior Member
Why?
Consider bring able to view the time dimension in the same way you view a spatial dimension.
If I know where the other end of my yardstick is, does that mean I can't move that end to another place?
You're thinking like a human, who can only ever see the near end of the yardstick.
Yeah, it's a version of the big stone conundrum.
The Christians outsmarted themselves, elevating their deity out of their own reach.
Unless you already know you are within the future and know you are going to change it?
A wriggle out?
But I agree with your idea
We don't know the future and if god does the future is done and dusted, what is point of asking God for anything since it's already pre ordained?
DaveC426913
Valued Senior Member
What if it's preordained that he cures your baby after your prayers?
Claim made gods will
Pray God grandma lives
Dies
Claim made gods will
Church wins 100% every time
DaveC426913
Valued Senior Member
I'm sorry, that does not parse. Is Claim the name of a person?Claim made gods will
Pray God grandma lives
Dies
Claim made gods will
Church wins 100% every time
But, there's that pesky free will of humans that you're forgetting about.
Seattle
Valued Senior Member
I don't think a circle has an entrance and an exist doesn't it. That's kind of the concept of a circle. It's continuous.
(Your post)
What if it's preordained that he cures your baby after yourprayers?
(My post was just a continuation)
Claim made gods will
Pray God grandma lives
Dies
Claim made gods will
Church wins 100% every time
Goldtop
Registered Senior Member
Does the free will of puny humans override Gods knowledge of the future?
To me, the concept of Omniscience doesn't include the future. God might know everything, but he doesn't know the future.
davewhite04
Valued Senior Member
Think of it more like a ferris wheel at an amusement park, and think of life as a ride. No matter how hard life is you have to remember it's just a ride and things will get better and sometimes worse but it constantly changes, similar to a roller coaster.
Be terrified going nowhere for a short time, then arrive at the starting point.
Sounds about right.
davewhite04
Valued Senior Member
Why would you be terrified?
That's pretty much the point of carnival rides. Happens quite a lot in life, too.
In my personal belief, no. God simply included free will as part of his plan. (imho)
That’s interesting - why would he be limited to foreseeing future events, do you think?
I think it is that GOD knows all possible futures; each choice changes the possible outcomes. To calculate that volume of data you would have to be GOD.
davewhite04
Valued Senior Member
Or there could be infinite realities where every possibility plays out.