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You seem a bit fixated on that "save it" comment of mine, since you keep repeating it and referring to it. But the thing is... it doesn't sound like the kind of expression I'd normally use. Where was this response of mine? In a thread? If so, could you please link it? Or was it a PM? If so, could you please give me the date I sent it to you? Because I'd hate to think you're all riled up about a comment you thought I made but which I didn't actually make.
My apologies. Over the course of time, my mind warped what you said. What you actually said was this:
On the other hand, if this is just a general rant because your feelings have been hurt by a moderator, please spare us.
The over-all effect is the same, however. It was needless and unnecessary as well as it created conflict to have said that PRIOR to ever hearing the complaint.
You should have heard the complaint FIRST and then spoken your mind about it.
I'm sorry for changing "Spare us" to "save it." That's on me.
The complaints were the same issues you keep raising about Bells, weren't they? I haven't seen anything in this thread that suggests that action by me is required.
This thread was started in regards to a complaint about Tiassa. You spent so much time avoiding the whole thing, you never found out that it could have probably been looked at swiftly. now, months later, it's stale and being confused with other issues. I don't care how many decades of experience you claim- You still mishandled it.
Now Kittamaru asked pointed questions in a courteous and professional manner- Handled it well, I'd say- and I responded to that. What confusion goes in in your backroom that you never received that reply- I do not know. It's not on me. I followed that protocol and it got lost after I passed on the answer.
Also, please don't put words in my mouth. If you want to comment on something I've said, quote me and then comment. Don't make stuff up, please. And don't paraphrase me to twist my words into something you'd like me to have said because it suits your argument of the moment.
Apologies. I never intended to make up anything.
However, I did intend to show you how your response sounded. In reality, I'm fairly sure that you care about the forum for your own reasons, not for money. But then- you, too, can look at what you had said and see that it sounded as though you stated you won't put much effort in because you're not being paid to. It did come across that way- I think a moment of thoughtlessness on your part more than you actually saying that you don't care if you're not getting paid.
The main thing I don't care to do is to inject myself into personal arguments and animosities between members or between members and moderators (or moderators and other moderators for that matter). So, if you give me a 10 page breakdown of your latest complaint about how moderator X doesn't like you and is being biased towards you, giving me all the nitty gritty and inviting me to delve into whatever factual issue it was that started the whole argument in the first place, chances are that I will have enough other things to attend to that I just won't have time to wade through it all.
JamesR- when I first asked you about this issue- did you assume that was going to be the outcome? Is that why you gave it the brush off- because of your assumption?
You still have no idea what the complaint is or what it's about, do you?
Tiassa offered to discuss it. I Pm'ed him yesterday but have had no reply yet. If you like, ask me to AGAIN spell it out and I'll do so in it's own concise post rather than mix it up with all this other crap. Let's get this settled first.
Even looking at the first page of the current thread, you made a complaint - not for the first time - and my first question to you was: what, in short, is the issue you want sorted? And how do you want it sorted? If you can't answer that in a few sentences, then it's probably reasonable to assume that you just have a vague and ill-defined general grievance which won't fall neatly into enforcing the site rules.
Actually it is the first time.
Prior to this, I've hashed it out in threads. This is the first time I've ever appealed to you.
Don't confuse me with others and don't treat me as a constant complainer simply because you brushed it off assuming it was not a legitimate complaint without knowing what it was and assuming I've been complaining to you all the time- this was the first time, JamesR.
You drew it out by avoiding it so long, it spawned many PM's and two threads total- But I'm pretty sure you still don't even know the complaint.

Yes, the issue and what I want out of it CAN be explained in only a few sentences and I find my request to be reasonable.
Now, after the hash up and all this going in circles, which I blame in part to your reticence to have even bothered to LOOK at it in the first place, it will probably seem very small or minor to you now. Although I take it VERY seriously.
It is telling that there's been no apology from you. Did you read my response to you regarding basic manners and decency?
Nor have I gotten one from you.
I apologize only if it's sincere. I don't just throw them around when people want them. While I can say I broke with decency in my venting rant, I do not care enough to make a sincere apology. I need to care first.
I must say: I'm glad you've come back a bit more reasonable after your break from the forum. I'm glad you have seagypsy to talk to about this stuff, too. There are a lot of lonely, disgruntled men (especially) on the internet who stew on these kinds of things and have difficulty getting some perspective. As you say, real life is going on out there.
Well, don't blame it on seagypsy. We've not discussed this topic or issue nor thread in quite a while. In fact, as you pointed out, there's life going on and that's what we discuss.
I'm calmer because I chose to be.
Actually I agree with Balerion in this instance.
I will put thought into this and get back to it at some point. I agree- but there's something abut it I can't put my finger on at the moment- I'm juggling too many thoughts to be coherent and I need to be coherent on this one.

Neverfly do you believe Bells has equal right to you to express her opinon in what ever way she feels she needs to?
Bells do you believe Neverfly has equal right to you to express her opinon in what ever way she feels she needs to?
If yes is the answer to both questions no more conflict is needed or even wanted.
But if no is answered by either party, conflict is inevitable.

I don't think either of us have those rights. I believe we both are more limited than that. I believe in free expression, as I'm sure you've noticed. But I also believe that if the rules LIMIT us to "Reasonably polite" expression - then we both are liable and should BOTH be HELD liable. I disagree with the double standard.
 
I'm glad you have seagypsy to talk to about this stuff, too.

Posting only because I have been mentioned by name.
JamesR, trust me, I have very little if any affect on how Neverfly chooses to post or when. He doesn't consult with me before posting and rarely asks my opinion of what he posts. We kind of operate on unspoken terms in regards to the forum. I don't tell him how to feel or how to post and he doesn't tell me how to feel or how to post. We don't give opinions to each other, that we aren't asked for. And that goes beyond the forum. And is probably why we get along so well.
 
I will put thought into this and get back to it at some point. I agree- but there's something abut it I can't put my finger on at the moment- I'm juggling too many thoughts to be coherent and I need to be coherent on this one.
Possibly it has to do with his intent vs the actual language used.
I look at the written content first before being too concerned about the behind the scenes hubris. His post as written appeals to me however his intent is another thing.
Differentiation between what is published and what is not is an important perceptional function needed. So much can be misread into what a poster implies with out proper regared to what is actually written.
It is what is actually written that is of primary importance and keeping this always as a priority is essential if you wish to stay sane using a forum like this one.
In other words drop the impressionism and deal with the written content as it is written is the sort of advice I could recommend.
It is too easy to get too involved in what happens behind the scenes, so much so that you miss the show.
 
Possibly it has to do with his intent vs the actual language used.
I look at the written content first before being too concerned about the behind the scenes hubris. His post as written appeals to me however his intent is another thing.
Differentiation between what is published and what is not is an important perceptional function needed. So much can be misread into what a poster implies with out proper regared to what is actually written.
It is what is actually written that is of primary importance and keeping this always as a priority is essential if you wish to stay sane using a forum like this one.
In other words drop the impressionism and deal with the written content as it is written is the sort of advice I could recommend.
It is too easy to get too involved in what happens behind the scenes, so much so that you miss the show.

The thing that bugs me about it is that with Balerion, for example, I just yell at him.

But on every forum I've ever been on, the Mods were expected to Hold the Standard. To have a Moderator behaving badly was unthinkable. I don't have a thread about Wynn or Balerion, right? And this one isn't even about Bells.

I see your point. It is ODD, though. Avoiding fights with a Mod by not acknowledging or ignoring said Mod. Dunno- if it was a Police Officer that I had to avoid or ignore, I think that wouldn't hold and in the end, someone would take the badge.
 
The thing that bugs me about it is that with Balerion, for example, I just yell at him.

But on every forum I've ever been on, the Mods were expected to Hold the Standard. To have a Moderator behaving badly was unthinkable. I don't have a thread about Wynn or Balerion, right? And this one isn't even about Bells.

I see your point. It is ODD, though. Avoiding fights with a Mod by not acknowledging or ignoring said Mod. Dunno- if it was a Police Officer that I had to avoid or ignore, I think that wouldn't hold and in the end, someone would take the badge.
I think possibly you are over valuing the mods opinion. Sure they have the power of a mod but their opinions are similar value as any ones.

To me a mods opinion is as important as every one elses no more no less. but I feel you may be thinking of them in a way that they can not possibly live up to...

just two cents... and a penny
 
Also I thought the recent post by JamesR needs a good look at and acknowledgment of the falibility and human condition he is alluding to.
He has offered, free of charge I might add, over 8 years of "super mod" experience in his one post so there is an awful lot to it.
 
but I feel you may be thinking of them in a way that they can not possibly live up to...

They manage it on every single forum I've ever been on with the exception of a gaming forum long ago. I've been on many. This is the only one where I've seen Mods act the way as they do here.
Anecdotal, I know- but it's my own experience.
 
Possibly it has to do with his intent vs the actual language used.
I look at the written content first before being too concerned about the behind the scenes hubris. His post as written appeals to me however his intent is another thing.
Differentiation between what is published and what is not is an important perceptional function needed. So much can be misread into what a poster implies with out proper regared to what is actually written.
It is what is actually written that is of primary importance and keeping this always as a priority is essential if you wish to stay sane using a forum like this one.
In other words drop the impressionism and deal with the written content as it is written is the sort of advice I could recommend.
It is too easy to get too involved in what happens behind the scenes, so much so that you miss the show.

There was nothing wrong with the language of my post. What I said was true: if he's aware that he's being baited, it's his responsibility to not bite. Whatever my intent is in this situation is irrelevant.

What bugs Neverfly about my post is that he can't find any way to twist my words to mean something else. There's nothing to complain about, or throw back at me, which is what he's so intent on doing always with everyone who doesn't immediately capitulate to his thuggish behavior. I've phrased the point in a way that puts the onus on him without putting the blame on him, and he has no use for such advice because it doesn't absolve him or blame others.

And the reason I wrote it was to help put an end to this nonsense. I've attempted this before with Neverfly, only to have him TYPE IN ALL CAPS CUZ THAT'S WHAT GROWN-UPS DO, but I'm not going to stop trying. He's not stupid, and could be a contributing member to this forum if he'd just stop acting like such a butt.
 
The thing that bugs me about it is that with Balerion, for example, I just yell at him.

But on every forum I've ever been on, the Mods were expected to Hold the Standard. To have a Moderator behaving badly was unthinkable. I don't have a thread about Wynn or Balerion, right? And this one isn't even about Bells.

I see your point. It is ODD, though. Avoiding fights with a Mod by not acknowledging or ignoring said Mod. Dunno- if it was a Police Officer that I had to avoid or ignore, I think that wouldn't hold and in the end, someone would take the badge.

I've been to several forums where mods behaved like absolute idiots. I was a moderator for over a decade at another forum and I know for a fact I acted like a dummy from time to time. It's kind of hard not to when you have posters who, well, do stuff like you're doing now. It's very hard not to just lay the smackdown on someone who won't cooperate. But Tiassa and James have now both been extremely cool with you, and friendlier than either have ever been to me, so I think you owe them the same.

As for the police officer analogy, don't complicate matters. You can't ignore a cop, but you can ignore a forum moderator--as long as you aren't being moderated, of course. In regular conversation, if Bells replies to your post, pretend she didn't. Trust me, I know that's difficult, but I'm willing to bet she's not going to bother with you anyway. Just ignore her.
 
I know for a fact I acted like a dummy from time to time.
Considering the complete and total dishonesty you poured into post number 208- I don't find the idea of you acting like a dummy hard to believe at all.
I'll respond to one thing only on that Balerionica (and only because I'm in a particularly calm and chivalrous mood...);
In saying this, I'm infracting upon the standard and I'm aware that I am. Let it be known.
Dude- you're a butt. Most of the time. You can NEVER allow yourself to be wrong. Even when you are wrong, you'll fight tooth and nail to resist and try to make it look as though you are somehow right. You're extremely hypocritical. Such as now talking about how hard it is to not lay the smackdown on people like me doing what I am now. Dude- you do what I'm doing now all the freaking time, jughead.
You're often crude and vulgar. A great deal of your personal attacks on others are inaccurate. You assume way too much. You speculate wildly and you're presumptuous.
Now with those compliments out of the way...
You're very intelligent and of quick wit. You can be very forgiving and fair. You make short work of some topics and you can be very insightful. You demonstrate empathy- even when you're being an asshole - you CARE enough to be an asshole.
Now, I'm working on settling issues with Tiassa and JamesR. I'm not always diplomatic but I'm not entirely irrational (As long as I'm not all pissed off anyway.)
That leaves you and Bells. Oh, right... Bells... I don't see that one getting resolved anytime soon.
That leaves You.
Here's my olive branch- it's conditional- take it or leave it...
You wanna help me to learn how to be a Good Poster and stuff? Fine. Why don't you be honorable enough to accept you could do some learning as well. Broad speculative characterizations about a persons character when you don't really know them isn't the points of a good poster. Justifying doing so is a sign of delusion.
I'll debate with you on topics. I'll treat you fairly and not attack your character or insult you as a person- if you extend the same courtesy to me. Don't tell me I'm a thug or a liar or a pinky suckling babe- just address My Points In a Debate. Do that and I'll do that for you.
If not... Then piss off. I don't owe you my ears if you're going to be a hypocrite in your delivery.

but I'm willing to bet she's not going to bother with you anyway. Just ignore her.
Oh, she will. If Bells feels strongly about a certain issue- she will bother with it. Not necessarily because it's me- but she WILL post her thoughts.
 
Let me get this straight.

I am not even speaking to you now, at all, and you still keep bringing me up. Why?

At what point are you going to just leave me alone and move on already? You keep saying you want things resolved and even though I have stopped speaking to you, you just don't let up and keep bringing me up in just about all of your posts in this thread, save for one or two. Give it up already, for goodness sake! No, really, give it up. You have been offered a way out by James and Tiassa. Take them up on their offer and move on.


1) I have a right to my opinion and my thoughts and I am allowed to post them, just as you are.
2) Move on.
3) Move on.. Yes, this is a recurring theme in this thread.
 
Let me get this straight.
(snip)you just don't let up and keep bringing me up in just about all of your posts in this thread, save for one or two.(snip)
I am not even speaking to you now, at all, and you still keep bringing me up. Why?
You don't get to count up individual posts- it's a conversation made up of MANY posts. You are part of the conversation. I don't blame you if you don't like being a part of it - us sitting here talking about you. I understand that. But counting the number of posts that mention you is silly- it's a whole conversation.
At what point are you going to just leave me alone and move on already? You keep saying you want things resolved and even though I have stopped speaking to you(snip)
I'm sorry, Bells. I really am. As I said above, being talked about is unpleasant. The topic, at this point, includes my complaint: Your habit of describing things in whatever favor suits you. Such as counting posts which was absurd- such as describing below as a "Way Out." Such as describing my saying that I don't pity a criminal caught in the act getting beat up as the far fetched "Death penalty inflicted" comment. See below for my thoughts on this.

You have been offered a way out by James and Tiassa. Take them up on their offer and move on.
I have accepted what they offered which was a Discussion- Not a Way Out.
1) I have a right to my opinion and my thoughts and I am allowed to post them, just as you are.
You do not treat me as though I have that right- AT ALL. You hammered the hell at of me with completely far fetched descriptions including the death penalty comment in that last flame out.
That is not respecting a persons right to an opinion, Bells, that's a character attack.
Now yes, you can stop speaking to me or I can ignore you or... You could learn to attack the idea not the person.
That too- a recurring theme- Attack the Post, not the Poster.
That is my complaint. Those are my thoughts on the matter.
Hey, I'm no angel and I probably screw that up at times, too. As above- I acknowledged being insulting to Balerion. But with you... man... It's like I get flooded with it very quickly.

Said my piece and recognized how unpleasant it is to have people talk about you in a conversation you are not taking part in so- Leaving you alone now.
 
Considering the complete and total dishonesty you poured into post number 208- I don't find the idea of you acting like a dummy hard to believe at all.

See, this is what I'm talking about. I wasn't dishonest at all. You're acting like a troll. That's a fact, independent of whether or not you choose to acknowledge it. And no one's asking that you do acknowledge it. All anyone's asking is that you move on. Yet you insist on absolution. Nobody's going to give that to you, nor should they. The best you're going to get is a clean-slate, and that's been offered more than once, yet you've spit on it more than once.

You're not fooling anyone (well, aside from Quantum Quack, apparently) with your absurd accusations. Just move on.

I'll respond to one thing only on that Balerionica (and only because I'm in a particularly calm and chivalrous mood...);

No, you're in a mood to blame others and bitch about how bad you've been treated. It's boo-hoo time with Neverfly.

In saying this, I'm infracting upon the standard and I'm aware that I am. Let it be known.

You act as if that makes it okay. It doesn't.

Dude- you're a butt. Most of the time. You can NEVER allow yourself to be wrong. Even when you are wrong, you'll fight tooth and nail to resist and try to make it look as though you are somehow right. You're extremely hypocritical. Such as now talking about how hard it is to not lay the smackdown on people like me doing what I am now. Dude- you do what I'm doing now all the freaking time, jughead.
You're often crude and vulgar. A great deal of your personal attacks on others are inaccurate. You assume way too much. You speculate wildly and you're presumptuous.

No, I do nothing like what you do. James and I have had a couple of run-ins, but it ends and I go back to posting. I don't demand anything from James, because I learned my lesson the first time my demands went unanswered. That's one of the many differences between us: Yeah, I'll speak up when something's wrong, but when there's no traction, I move on. Nor do I say any of the crap you've said, such as when you made vague threats against Bells. I don't go anywhere near that stuff. James wants to call me a whiner, fine, but you're far worse than that.

Now with those compliments out of the way...
You're very intelligent and of quick wit. You can be very forgiving and fair. You make short work of some topics and you can be very insightful. You demonstrate empathy- even when you're being an asshole - you CARE enough to be an asshole.

Don't patronize me. I don't care what you think about me, and I don't need your approval. This isn't about me, in case you haven't noticed. It's about you acting like an adult and moving on. So far, no luck.

Now, I'm working on settling issues with Tiassa and JamesR. I'm not always diplomatic but I'm not entirely irrational (As long as I'm not all pissed off anyway.)

You're not rational at all. Someone disagrees with you, they're a liar. Someone offers you an olive branch on the condition that you let it go, you "accept" it and then launch into four more posts about how shitty everyone is. You're obsessed with this issue. You even admitted to stewing over me during your absence. Do you realize how pathetic that is? Listen to me: I didn't remember who you were. Not saying you should have forgotten everyone here, but to hold on to that anger is frigging ridiculous. And you've even tried to paint yourself as a kind of freedom-fighter. I mean, how deep does this delusion run? Seriously, take a second and think about how stupid that sounds. Neverfly: Sciforums Freedom-Fighter

Idiocy.

That leaves you and Bells. Oh, right... Bells... I don't see that one getting resolved anytime soon.

I wouldn't blame Bells if she never wanted to speak to you ever again, some of the crap you've said to her. But because I know she isn't petty, she'd probably be cool with you if you'd just get over this childish crap.

That leaves You.

Dude, we settled when you left and I forgot you ever existed. I have no grudge with you. You're not important enough to me for such a thing. Understand? You don't matter to me.

Here's my olive branch- it's conditional- take it or leave it...
You wanna help me to learn how to be a Good Poster and stuff? Fine. Why don't you be honorable enough to accept you could do some learning as well. Broad speculative characterizations about a persons character when you don't really know them isn't the points of a good poster. Justifying doing so is a sign of delusion.
I'll debate with you on topics. I'll treat you fairly and not attack your character or insult you as a person- if you extend the same courtesy to me. Don't tell me I'm a thug or a liar or a pinky suckling babe- just address My Points In a Debate. Do that and I'll do that for you.
If not... Then piss off. I don't owe you my ears if you're going to be a hypocrite in your delivery.

I never said I can't get better as a poster. I know I can. The difference between you and me is that I actually try. And I'm not making broad speculative characterizations about you. That's a flat-out lie. I'm reading your posts, and brushing up on your history, and I'm telling you and everyone else what I see. That your history doesn't jibe with the fantasy image you've created in your head isn't my problem. It's yours. And if you don't want to be called a thug or a liar, don't act like a thug or a liar. This thread, for example, is you acting like a thug and a liar. That's just the facts, Neverfly, not an insult. It's an observation. Feel free to take it personally, but for once in your time here at Sciforum, translate that anger into something productive, like, for example, an effort to prove that you can be more than a thug and a liar.


Oh, she will. If Bells feels strongly about a certain issue- she will bother with it. Not necessarily because it's me- but she WILL post her thoughts.

Then ignore her.
 
See, this is what I'm talking about. I wasn't dishonest at all.
I already addressed this: You assume way too much. Balerion- just because you invent a characterization to explain a perception doesn't make it anything more than an assumption. A vague one, at best. To put it forth as fact is not honest.
The best you're going to get is a clean-slate, and that's been offered more than once, yet you've spit on it more than once.
I don't agree that that's the offer but if it was: I don't accept the crumbs from masters table and give thanks for the plentiful bounty- sorry. This reply is based on your response.
However, both Tiassa and JamesR expressed themselves differently than how you described. I didn't read Tiassa's messages to me nor my reply to him to be how you described. Just to be clear.

You're not fooling anyone
I don't need to fool anyone. I have made what I believe are valid points. Your hypocrisy throughout this long post belies your claim.
The difference between you and me is that I actually try. And I'm not making broad speculative characterizations about you. That's a flat-out lie.
You claim everything you disagree with is a lie. You calling out "liar" is like the boy who cried wolf.
It's the first weapon in your arsenal.
If you try to be a better poster- show it from this day forward or not.

On moving on: I've actually been replying and responding to posters ideas and thoughts here. To make Balerion happy- was I supposed to tell them to F - off, I'm not gonna? For all this talk of moving on- You don't seem to be practicing it too well, yourself. In fact, some of those were replies to you and some of your posts were ignored when you persisted. You complain that I won't move on when you emphatically keep talking to me about it? Guess I'll just keep ignoring you, instead of who you tell me to ignore.

In other words- if no one had posted their thoughts- I wouldn't have replied with my own thoughts. This thread would have just been sitting here with the last post back when. I'd already responded to Tiassa and JamesR and am simply waiting on that and was replying to the ideas expressed here in the meantime. You make it sound like a much bigger deal than it actually is- I haven't been posting new rants or posts that were not direct replies since then. I do not need to fool anyone- any objective reader can easily see this to be the case.
 
I've been dropping by this thread daily, not that I have read every word, but I think I've got the general lay of the land.

Psychology is an interest of mine.

This thread has inspired me.

To join another forum.

The same amount of time per day, now divided by five instead of four. :wave:
 
I already addressed this: You assume way too much. Balerion- just because you invent a characterization to explain a perception doesn't make it anything more than an assumption. A vague one, at best. To put it forth as fact is not honest.

I don't agree that that's the offer but if it was: I don't accept the crumbs from masters table and give thanks for the plentiful bounty- sorry. This reply is based on your response.
However, both Tiassa and JamesR expressed themselves differently than how you described. I didn't read Tiassa's messages to me nor my reply to him to be how you described. Just to be clear.


I don't need to fool anyone. I have made what I believe are valid points. Your hypocrisy throughout this long post belies your claim.

You claim everything you disagree with is a lie. You calling out "liar" is like the boy who cried wolf.
It's the first weapon in your arsenal.
If you try to be a better poster- show it from this day forward or not.

On moving on: I've actually been replying and responding to posters ideas and thoughts here. To make Balerion happy- was I supposed to tell them to F - off, I'm not gonna? For all this talk of moving on- You don't seem to be practicing it too well, yourself. In fact, some of those were replies to you and some of your posts were ignored when you persisted. You complain that I won't move on when you emphatically keep talking to me about it? Guess I'll just keep ignoring you, instead of who you tell me to ignore.

In other words- if no one had posted their thoughts- I wouldn't have replied with my own thoughts. This thread would have just been sitting here with the last post back when. I'd already responded to Tiassa and JamesR and am simply waiting on that and was replying to the ideas expressed here in the meantime. You make it sound like a much bigger deal than it actually is- I haven't been posting new rants or posts that were not direct replies since then. I do not need to fool anyone- any objective reader can easily see this to be the case.

Proof positive. You're not going to change. You've got no interest in it, and you're nowhere near mature enough.
 
I've been dropping by this thread daily, not that I have read every word, but I think I've got the general lay of the land.

Psychology is an interest of mine.

This thread has inspired me.

To join another forum.

The same amount of time per day, now divided by five instead of four. :wave:
. :wave: thats a lot of juggling :)
 
I already addressed this: You assume way too much. Balerion- just because you invent a characterization to explain a perception doesn't make it anything more than an assumption. A vague one, at best. To put it forth as fact is not honest.

I don't agree that that's the offer but if it was: I don't accept the crumbs from masters table and give thanks for the plentiful bounty- sorry. This reply is based on your response.
However, both Tiassa and JamesR expressed themselves differently than how you described. I didn't read Tiassa's messages to me nor my reply to him to be how you described. Just to be clear.


I don't need to fool anyone. I have made what I believe are valid points. Your hypocrisy throughout this long post belies your claim.

You claim everything you disagree with is a lie. You calling out "liar" is like the boy who cried wolf.
It's the first weapon in your arsenal.
If you try to be a better poster- show it from this day forward or not.

On moving on: I've actually been replying and responding to posters ideas and thoughts here. To make Balerion happy- was I supposed to tell them to F - off, I'm not gonna? For all this talk of moving on- You don't seem to be practicing it too well, yourself. In fact, some of those were replies to you and some of your posts were ignored when you persisted. You complain that I won't move on when you emphatically keep talking to me about it? Guess I'll just keep ignoring you, instead of who you tell me to ignore.

In other words- if no one had posted their thoughts- I wouldn't have replied with my own thoughts. This thread would have just been sitting here with the last post back when. I'd already responded to Tiassa and JamesR and am simply waiting on that and was replying to the ideas expressed here in the meantime. You make it sound like a much bigger deal than it actually is- I haven't been posting new rants or posts that were not direct replies since then. I do not need to fool anyone- any objective reader can easily see this to be the case.

yes Neverfly, you know how to resolve this issue but you choose to continue to promote it.
I suggest strongly you check your motivation for continuing you campaign, as it is becoming blatantly transperant.
It is apparent, no one but you can provide a resolution. So one wonders why you continue to seek a resolution from others when that is, by your own determination, imposssible?
 
yes Neverfly, you know how to resolve this issue but you choose to continue to promote it.
I suggest strongly you check your motivation for continuing you campaign, as it is becoming blatantly transperant.
It is apparent, no one but you can provide a resolution. So one wonders why you continue to seek a resolution from others when that is, by your own determination, imposssible?

Dude, seriously? You and Balerion together now- I've Been Only Responding To Your Posts.

Stop acting like I'm in here Every Day Promoting something new. If you don't like it- Don't talk to me. But don't sit there and lie about what I'm doing. Follow your own and Jdawgs advice, QQ, move on. You sit there and talk to me about it (and you don't even know what you're talking about) and then whine that I reply to you. You gotta be kidding me. Fine- have it your way, I won't respond to QQ or Barlerion now.:rolleyes:
 
Dude, seriously? You and Balerion together now- I've Been Only Responding To Your Posts.

Stop acting like I'm in here Every Day Promoting something new. If you don't like it- Don't talk to me. But don't sit there and lie about what I'm doing. Follow your own and Jdawgs advice, QQ, move on. You sit there and talk to me about it (and you don't even know what you're talking about) and then whine that I reply to you. You gotta be kidding me. Fine- have it your way, I won't respond to QQ or Barlerion now.:rolleyes:
Is "iggy" the only way you can resolve this?
 
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