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Well maybe we do and maybe we don't. What I know, is that numbers are related specifically to geometry/shape/pattern etc.....and there is no part of occupied space Universe, that does not have some associated pattern/shape/geometry that we identify with it. Ex we do not observe gravitional spacetime yet we--- Einstein via Riemann ---discerned a curved shape and if curves are not associated with the ideas of geodesic, then what is? Numbers?

No physicist has any right to be arrogant, it's clear that whatever the "true" physics is, we're probably hundreds of years from having a clue.

We already have arrived at some truths and they are believed to be cosmic laws/principles.

The problem is that it contains *every possible message*.

It if contains every message then wouldn't it considered to holistic? Holographically related? Personally, I think your off on an irrational infinity pathway/trjectory and that to me infers only eventually madness ex didn't Feynman or others invent something called 'renormalization' because they could not deal with the infinite resultants they were getting?

It's like saying that there's a secret magic word in the dictionary that reveals the meaning of life.

Or combination of interrelated "magic words" or magic geometries/patterns/shapes ergo numerically finite sets.

And I'm handing you this precious gift. I give you the dictionary.

Except the dictionary is words we create. If the dictionary were a list of cosmic laws/principles...then......we have been adding words to the dictionary and we have added cosmic laws/principles as we discover them.

Conclusion: It's all coincidences. If you wanted to you could probably find the entire illustrated text of Moby Dick and the schematics for the next iPhone in the digits of pi. It's meaningless, just something interesting to talk about and then forget about.

Something, once in my left life, I was walking passed a 15 or so acre field at night, and this field of lightning bugs all synchronistically flashing at the same time. Do you think that such a phenomena can only exist as coincidence?

Fuller states that Einstein worked in clock shop. I forget if it was Fuller or where I read it, that clocks become entrained and eventually their alarms in a clock shop will begin to go off at same time. I'm not talking digital clocks here and I don't know if such a claim is true. If it is true, then again I ask you, can there exist relationships that are not conincidence to cause such a phenomena to occur?

There are probably other such synchronicities and or entrainments that occur, that I'm not aware of, yet my same question would apply.

You see, if the Great Cosmic Source was trying to send us a secret coded message via the digits of pi, they did a very poor job of it.

First of all Something, let us be clear, that your the one who is;

1) bringing a "cosmic source" into this conversation,

2) That such a "source" is sending a "message".

I invoked none of that above. I think your mistaken to state our disscussion in those terms. What would be more appropriate, is to say if there exists cosmic laws/principles, or numerically related dynamic shapes/geometries/patterns--- or static from which we derive such dyanmic shapes --embedded within our finite Universe, of occupied space, can we discover them?

They encoded *everything* pretty much *everywhere*. There's no message in there at all; or more accurately:

SOmething, here again, your infinite irrationals or infinite "normals" appear to be similar to holograhic themes. i would remind you of a great mathematicians words regarding his work on black holes...Jacob Bekenstien states, that,..."we appear to be 2D creatures, having and illusion of 3D'....

Some of Bekenstiens mathematics were later validated by Hawking.

There's *every* message. So even if someone's sending us a message, they did it in such a way that we can't read it.

Barring "sending us a message" type concepts, if there is a cosmic coding existent, will may very well be seeing it or reading it yet not comprehending the it as wholistic concept yet.

We can't tell what's important from what's not, because every possible combination is in the digits of pretty much every real number.

Here again, I think your refering to infinity and my comments are certainly trying to keep others from going the way of infinity, cause there lies madness or some ideas that you mention above that seem similar to holistic ideas/concepts.

The answer to your question is: Yes there are lots of messages in pi. They're all random. The number of nerves in your spine is in there and so is every other number that's not the number of nerves in your spine.

Or so you believe. I was looking to connect Pi to 3D XYZ space, and time via Pi^4 and then divided such number into 4 parts/vectors as that is what I understand to be a rationally logica approach to relating Pi to space and time. If my approach is not rationally logical, then please show me one that is.

Whether there's a Cosmic Message Sender or not; it makes no difference since you can't tell the signal from the noise.

Humans may have believe such ideas thousands of years ago also, and look how much more humans have discerened.

Let me make clear here Something. I do not believe humans will ever quantize gravitaitonal spacetime. Lee Smolin thought humans would quantify gravitationl spacetime around 2015 or so via geometric methods

So if we cannot ever grasp the multitude of gravitational spacetime dynamic networking intterrlationships, then I'm suggesting that there may exist mathematical--- geometry is subset of mathematics ---and that is inherently inclusive of using numbers.

This is not to say that all possible numerical relationships/patterns/shapes networks are relevant, but some are, and my statements are specific to those regarding Pi and within a finite set of the irrational side of Pi and a finite set of other irrationaly infinite numebrs, whether, whole, rational, normal or of what base.

My guess is that, if there do exist cosmic dynamic patterns/shapes/geometries/networks--- associated to static patterns/shapes/geometries/networks --that are related to some asppect of Pi, we may be able to winnow them out or discern them or discover them. Your answer is that if they exist it would be impossible to find them because within your given context of irrational infinity, there is to much "noise".

On that I would have to agree i.e. within the context of irrational infinity or infinite irrationals, then yes, the noise is problamatic.

Thx again for not having troll attitude with a troll-like response. We need more like you around here.

r6