"Quorum Sensing"...this is remarkable.

[Write4U]

A new form of chemical communication has been discovered and may well be the fundamental proto-model for the later "hive-mind" in insects, etc.
This excellent lecture demonstrates how bacteria form sentient superstructures (hive-minds)

Makes me wonder if we are complex patterns of simple organisms and our higher senses are all fundamentally based on the language of bacteria. We are not just hive-minds, we are a hive- organism.

Quorum Sensing ,
Intra- and Inter-species bacterial communication.

An interesting phenomenon is the function of "incubation period".

IMO, this is evidence that all functional organisms on earth are inherently sentient and posess an internal mathematical language based on chemical properties.

After all, we are some 97% bacterial..........................

 

[sculptor]

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An interesting phenomenon ... ........................

OK
So
If our skin is covered with symbiotic bacteria that protect us from environmental pathogens(including other bacteria and viruses),
is obsessive washing with antibacterial soaps detrimental to our health and wellbeing?

 

[Write4U]

OK
So
If our skin is covered with symbiotic bacteria that protect us from environmental pathogens(including other bacteria and viruses),
is obsessive washing with antibacterial soaps detrimental to our health and wellbeing?

I should think so. Bonnie Bassler notes that cleaners which are dsigned to kill bacteria, lead to resistant strains and that usually means more virulent. Armies of resistant bacteria attacking your body en masse.

I like this concept of "confounding bacterial language", it sounds biblical.........

 

[sculptor]

I like this concept of "confounding bacterial language", it sounds biblical.........

Tower of Babel?

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wow
If bacteria created our communication abilities and we then can constrain their language much like the tower of Babel, have we then not become the gods of bacteria?

 

[Write4U]

Tower of Babel?

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wow
If bacteria created our communication abilities and we then can constrain their language much like the tower of Babel, have we then not become the gods of bacteria?

Remains to be see if we are the gods or if bacteria are the gods. The good ones are keeping us alive......

With our track record, we probably will just confound the good bacteria and we become the abominations.........

At least, if bacteria are the gods, they use a democratic voting system. Quorum sensing. They don't act unless there is a quorum (head count) and all agree it's time for action.

 

[sculptor]

speaking of bacteria
I have wondered if the mitochondria could be considered as a bacterium.

 

[Write4U]

speaking of bacteria
I have wondered if the mitochondria could be considered as a bacterium.

I'm not sure. Question is if it able to intake food (energy) itself. I don't think so, but whatever we may call it, it displays a very precise organization and a remarkable functional ability to copy itself. It is normally identified as an organelle.

an organelle found in large numbers in most cells, in which the biochemical processes of respiration and energy production occur. It has a double membrane, the inner layer being folded inward to form layers (cristae).

Although most of a cell's DNA is contained in the cell nucleus, the mitochondrion has its own independent genome that shows substantial similarity to bacterialgenomes.[16]Mitochondrial proteins (proteins transcribed from mitochondrial DNA) vary depending on the tissue and the species. In humans, 615 distinct types of protein have been identified from cardiac mitochondria,[17] whereas in rats, 940 proteins have been reported.[18] The mitochondrial proteome is thought to be dynamically regulated.

Components of a typical animal cell:

1. Nucleolus
2. Nucleus
3. Ribosome (little dots)
4. Vesicle
5. Rough endoplasmic reticulum
6. Golgi apparatus (or "Golgi body")
7. Cytoskeleton
8. Smooth endoplasmic reticulum
9. Mitochondrion
10. Vacuole
11. Cytosol (fluid that contains organelles, comprising the cytoplasm)
12. Lysosome
13. Centrosome
14. Cell membrane[/quote]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrion

Seems that a mitochodrion is always part of a bacterium, but is not a bacterium itself.

 

[Write4U]

If bacteria created our communication abilities and we then can constrain their language much like the tower of Babel, have we then not become the gods of bacteria?

If only we could claim we created bacteria. Unfortunately they appeared long before humans became available as hosts for the bacteria. Would that make bacteria our gods?......

 

[Write4U]

In trying to reverse engineer "intelligence", I ran across these articles of note;
Consider ;

These 3OC8-HSL-responsive proteins, in addition to one protein of unknown function, are implicated in a variety of physiological processes, including metabolism of carbohydrate and energy, protein biosynthesis and quality control systems, defense response and signal transduction and cytoskeleton remodeling.

Our bioinformatic analysis indicated that the chloroplasts are the intracellular organelles most influenced by the exposure to 3OC8-HSL. Our data indicate that plants have an extensive range of functional responses to bacterial AHLs that may play important roles in the interaction between plants and bacteria

Cytoskeletons are formed and grown via microtubules
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006291X12017846

Cytoskeleton
Description
A cytoskeleton is present in the cytoplasm of all cells, including bacteria, and archaea. It is a complex, dynamic network of interlinking protein filaments that extend from the cell nucleus to the cell membrane. The cytoskeletal systems of different organisms are composed of similar proteins.

The centrosome influences the shape, orientation and activity of the microtubule cytoskeleton. The pericentriolar material (PCM), determines this functionality by providing a dynamic platform for nucleating microtubules and acts as a nexus for molecular signaling.

Although great strides have been made in understanding PCM activity, its diffraction-limited size and amorphous appearance on electron microscopy (EM) have limited analysis of its high-order organization.

https://www.cell.com/trends/cell-biology/fulltext/S0962-8924(13)00169-4?script=true

Microtubules Are Essential for Mitochondrial Dynamics–Fission, Fusion, and Motility–in Dictyostelium discoideum

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4801864/

OK, these are just some very basics. Now consider the possibility that microtubules have "quorum sensing" abilities.
If we combine all the remarkable abilities of microtubules, are we getting close to some form of "pseudo intelligence" in microtubules?
This might be a proto-intelligent platform, no?

If bacteria are able to divide by means of microtubules in the mitochondria, would it not follow that microtubules have quorum sensing abilities and make up a fundamental physical sentience (information processing) in all organisms, from plant to bacterial?

If we look at the common denominators in these examples, can we speculate that;
A complex brain (billions of microtubules) is the result of a coordinated "quorum sensing" microtubule hive intelligence?

Might this be Hameroff's and Penrose's mysterious ORCH-OR "wave collapse"? = "Quorum Sensing"?
An emergent awareness?

 

[Write4U]

Hehe, perhaps the concept of a really tiny "Flying Spaghetti Monster" is not that ridiculous..................

 

[sculptor]

says mitochondria started out as a bacterium, was eaten by an archaebacterium which could not digest it, and then they developed a symbiotic relationship.

 

[Write4U]

says mitochondria started out as a bacterium, was eaten by an archaebacterium which could not digest it, and then they developed a symbiotic relationship.

Yes, the beginning of symbiotic cooperation at the cellular level.
But I am particularly intrigued by the function of micro-tubules, which IMO, may be the precursor to emergent consciousness

Mitochondria are associated with microtubules and not with intermediate filaments in cultured fibroblasts.

In such cells, many labeled mitochondria were observed to be codistributed with the peripherally located microtubules. From these results, we infer that an association, probably involving some type of chemical linkage(s), between mitochondria and microtubules exists in these cells that is independent of the intermediate filaments.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC345674/

 

[Write4U]

Two updates on the science of "quorum sensing"

and

At what point does Life begin?

 

[Beaconator]

Where light and darkness meet.

 

[Write4U]

Where light and darkness meet.

And when there is something that reacts to the difference......

 

[Write4U]

And when there is something that reacts to the difference......

A beautiful example of quorum sensing in chemicals is found in this remarkable demonstration.

and at the microbial level the human body is an entire biological system.