Rap or Crap?

Serial_Beauty said:
Rap is about sex and drugs and how black epople are better than white people. Rap I think is stupid, and that there is only one good rapper...whcih is eminem because he makes fun of all of the stupid people

Ok, I'll try to make this short and small so people will actually read it. There are other rappers then eminem, who doesn't rap about chicks, killing, sex and drugs. Someone look up KRS-1. He's very close to eminem, but underground. If you don't know about something, don't comment about what it IS.
 
J.B said:
Most Rap is unintelligent and a angry form of expression, just like the people who produce it.
This assertion has already been proven completely false. It seems as nothing more than racist trolling.


Sauce said:
First, any rapper that can dance, to me, is just a member of a boy band
Dancing when pulled of well takes a lot of talent. Real street dance is a reflection of real street music. The boy bands and the likes of usher and b2k are not real street dancers. Their steps are watered down with moves you learn in dance classes that they teach in the main stream. Whether or not he was an idiot, Vanilla ice did have talent in terms of hitting tight steps. Is lyrics also punched a lot harder. When I read Em’s lyrics, they are nothing but weak shock jock air head goth gore with no punch. I’m white trash, I hate my mother, I sound like a cartoon, Dr Dre this, Haley that, bla blab bla. It’s tired. Then, whenever he makes the dumbest attempt to say something real, it comes off so exceedingly gay and idiotic that it makes GWB look like Einstein.


Arquibus said:
I didn't mean the music was similar. If you look at the most popular rappers, however, you will see that most of them write the same music about the same things not caring about the creation process.
Who cares. You are attacking rap as a music based on particulars. Rap is a type of music with high appeal because it

I can yap about who sucks and who doesn’t, but I’m not going to be running around bringing down rap music period. Why not just rant about music all together. Hey I heard some sucky rappers on the radio. Therefore, all music sucks. I hate music. Give me a break. It’s simple minded nonsense racially motivated claptrap.


Arquibus said:
The majority of popular rap is empowered by hatred, which in itself isn't so bad except that there is no variety.
Which goes to show how little you know. Sounds prejudice to me.
The entire culture is based on reality. There would be no hatred if there was no oppression.
Rap is about reality. It is empowered by reality. Whether you are rapping about stealing or killing, it’s all about reflecting reality.
Your so called “hate songs” are nothing more than a warped sense of what rap really is.


Arquibus said:
Half the time I can't even get my radio stations because of interference from a damned rap station.
You act like it’s a bad thing. Rap stations promote the rap culture which is the culture of reality. It’s not just all political either. There are party songs and such. Regardless, it all reflects an American culture that is highly appealing to many people. Some defend it, some such as yourself prefer to come down on it for every caviling reason you can think of. It is music, it is culture, it is talent, it is art, it is creativity, it is a reflection, it is style, it is appeal, it is everywhere, it deserves to be. The rap culture gives us a great form of entertaining musical form of art.
 
baumgarten said:
By the way, to me, hip-hop seems to borrow more from house or techno than rock. It's very electronic.
Techno music came out of rap music. In the early 90s before techno music blew up, it was very electronic and industrialistic. It started out with electric pseudo hiphop beats, and then became very lectronical and full of effects.


Serial_Beauty said:
Rap is about sex and drugs and how black epople are better than white people. Rap I think is stupid, and that there is only one good rapper...whcih is eminem because he makes fun of all of the stupid people
Retard.
 
Hey Cool Skill, I just wonder, if oppression causes hatred, what causes oppression? Please help me figure this out. Hatred is a human emotion coming from anger and fear. Rap plays on this. Right now, I have said that I dislike it without saying it is all bad, yet you attack me from the very depths of your soul, and it is hatred. However, was I oppressing you? I think not.
 
Mind sharin some of ur fav underground rap so i can look it up or have it burned later??
there is bound to be a difference between what is underground in the states and what is underground elsewhere, im in uk.
spidergoat pointed out one of my favorites Zion i. also Dead Prez are really hot, inparticular the album Revolutionary But Gangster. Living legends are pretty good too.
 
i prefer music. :)

have to go with "rap is crap" here. i like classical music and rock, preferbly the kind of rock were you actually hear all the instruments and the lyrics.
 
Arquibus said:
Hey Cool Skill, I just wonder, if oppression causes hatred, what causes oppression? Please help me figure this out. Hatred is a human emotion coming from anger and fear. Rap plays on this. Right now, I have said that I dislike it without saying it is all bad, yet you attack me from the very depths of your soul, and it is hatred. However, was I oppressing you? I think not.
Oppression is caused by the people in control enslaving others. Until you take away oppression, you cannot say anything about people that react to it.

You may not be oppressing anybody directly, but your statements are that of an oppressive minded individual. Instead of attacking the oppressors that are causing the problem, you attack the music of the oppressed for no reason. There is also rap music that has nothing to do with oppression, and might be about other topics. It is still real music, and music just like any other music. You might as well say that you hate all music period.
 
cool skill, I would like to say that just because I hate rap, it doesn't mean I hate music. Rap is not all music, it is a kind of music. Just because I hate it, its not like I would try and get it banned from the earth, or even put restrictions on it. I am a 100% advocate of free speech, but just because someone is talking it doesn't mean I have to listen. Right?
 
If you can't stand rap, simply because you think, they're 'just talking' to a soundtrack, it just means that your brain is not ready to take it yet. The same can be said of people for any new music that is hard to comprehend.

The first time I heard Weather Report (Mysterious Traveller), I felt bored and could not get into it at all. Then, I heard Herbie Hancock (Headhunters) and I thought it sounded stilted, like little sequences stuck together without any coherent form. This was in early '75, well, by summer of '75 and with a little help from my herbal friend and some more listening, I can tell you that this music became THE music... The fucking music...and it still is. Thing is, I can appreciate ALL kinds of music now; much more so than before those neural pathways were ripped open by that difficult shit, which I grew to love and to feel and to be. :m: :m: :m:
 
Arquibus said:
cool skill, I would like to say that just because I hate rap, it doesn't mean I hate music. Rap is not all music, it is a kind of music. Just because I hate it, its not like I would try and get it banned from the earth, or even put restrictions on it. I am a 100% advocate of free speech, but just because someone is talking it doesn't mean I have to listen. Right?

Why do you hate it?
 
§outh§tar said:
Why do you hate it?

I have heard so much rap on TV and in my community that had absolutely NO meaning, feeling, or soul, that I am scarred and I cannot bring myself to change my mind. I have heard songs of other styles that had the same problem, but not nearly as much. I think that, for the people that live in my area, that rap brings out the worst in them. In reality, it is just that the worst of the people here happen to like rap, but I can't shake my dislike.
 
Arquibus said:
cool skill, I would like to say that just because I hate rap, it doesn't mean I hate music. Rap is not all music, it is a kind of music. Just because I hate it, its not like I would try and get it banned from the earth, or even put restrictions on it. I am a 100% advocate of free speech, but just because someone is talking it doesn't mean I have to listen. Right?
Right you don't have to do anything. RAP is music, but it is not all music. It is the music of reality. You do not have to live in reality. It is your choice to live in your own racist delusional world.
 
cool skill said:
Right you don't have to do anything. RAP is music, but it is not all music. It is the music of reality. You do not have to live in reality. It is your choice to live in your own racist delusional world.

You truly are an idiot, aren't you? To say that rap is the music of reality and all other music is fake is so incredibly small-minded, so stupid, that I can't believe it. Have you ever listened to the messages presented by Pink Floyd, about oppression of emotion, about the lack of love in mankind? Have you heard Weird Al satirize everything from nuclear war to the online market obsession that is Ebay? Have you heard Don McLean's cry over what happened on a cold February day in 1959 that changed the world? No the messages of these and other members of the music world, the previous viewers of the way the world works fall deaf on your ears, and you refuse to hear or see it. It sickens me that you are so blind. Also, why do you think I'm racist? Because I don't like rap? Get a life, moron.

South Star, this is another reason I hate rap. People that like it tend to be quite belligerent to those that don't, though in reality I'd say that the people that are belligerent are just the one's that talk the loudest, and they blot out the people that can offer a good reason why rap is good.
 
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Ok Cool Skill,
You say rap is better than Boy bands? Britney? You know one thing RAP doesnt have, that these bands do have- its melody. Yes melody, the things that is pleasant to the ears and gives a song structure and feel. Something that can make some feel a song. You rap has no melody. Rap is the epitomy of lazy in the music industry. Everything in rap is fake. ALL the instruments are MIDI. All done on keyboard and computer, there is no more musicians in rap, which therefore without musicians you cant have music with feeling. Rap is done by buttons and knobs. No true talent. Its all a repeatitive drumbeat and Moron who thinks if he makes a couple rhymes here and there, and tell about his life on the street, hes a god. But what makes rappers hipricrits is they still make this lyrics that kids gobble up even though ther elivng in 2 million dollar mansions and driving cadilacs. The only reason rap is popular is b/c of morons like you who doesnt know what music or a melody is.
 
The Gorillaz rap, and they have a harmony and melody. In fact, their music is pretty complex as popular music goes. Interesting and thoughtful lyrics, too.

You know, I think you could make the same argument against punk that you make against some forms of rap, and then extend your argument against punk to all rock. Like this: "The Sex Pistols could barely play instruments, had shite lyrics, shouted a lot, and didn't have much in the way of melody or harmony. Rock sucks. It's not even music."

Great bullshit arguments, kiddies.
 
"To say that rap is the music of reality and all other music is fake"
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I never said that. Who's the idiot now?


titanguy9 said:
You know one thing RAP doesnt have, that these bands do have- its melody.
You're a moron. You obviously do not know what melody is. You obviously do not know anything about music. Keep listening to whatever tired nonsense garbage you listen to because that's all it is. Garbage. Which is what you are.
 
cool skill said:
RAP is music, but it is not all music. It is the music of reality. You do not have to live in reality. It is your choice to live in your own racist delusional world.

So your not saying Rap is the music of reality, and that because I don't listen to it I'm not living in reality? Wow, what does this mean then?
 
You claim that rap is something that it is not, then say you do not like it. That is not realistic.
 
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