Reality is mathematics / Mathematics is reality ?

[Write4U]

Is this information any good to you?

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The inventors of the device used quantum mechanics to solve the dilemma of choosing between stable, long-term data storage and low-energy writing and erasing.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/06/190620100015.htm

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Very interesting article, but the technology does not have many biological properties.......

And the scale is a little different. Microtubules work at nano-scale. The information packets we saw walking about in the illustrations are enzymes and proteins.

Microtubules are one of the cytoskeletal filament systems in eukaryotic cells.
The microtubule cytoskeleton is involved in the transport of material within cells, carried out by motor proteins that move on the surface of the microtubule.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microtubule

These natural information processors have a specific language which allows for various types of information to pass through the network. This language is made up from relative electro-chemical values processed in an orderly manner by certain dedicated functions. That demands the processors must share certain mathematical abilities to read and write value identity languages as inputs and outputs.

What is absolutely curious is that microtubule processors are a common denominator in all eukaryotic organisms.
IMO, this is a very significant attribute and definitely speaks to a common processing language even in different species or patterns. Think of it....this is what set the eukaryoid species apart from the prokaryoid species which are very few now.

I think of it as the bridge between purely chemical and organically sensory efferent and afferent information processing. i.e. Photosynthesis, etc.

I compare the scientific value of microtubules in eukaryotic organisms to that of the chromosomal difference between humans and other great apes (hominids), which allowed for the evolution and formation of a more complex brain in humans.

Microtubules compute and issue motor commands. And they are mathematical relative value processors....they compute..... trillions of them......

 

[Write4U]

There are no values in your examples. Show me an example of one of those values existing in nature.

Ever heard of "lift"?...Birds employ dynamic "lift". Witness our favorite Hummingbird.
Ever been sailing? ... Sailboats employ passive "lift".
Insects employ a variety of lift modes, mostly by brute force.

Gasses have no natural values and potentials? Interesting.
Gasses have been known to explode with tremendous force, but no relative values..?

 

[DaveC426913]

Ever heard of "lift"?...Birds employ dynamic "lift".
Ever been sailing? ... Sailboats employ passive "lift".
Insects employ a variety of lift modes, mostly by brute force.

Gasses have no natural values and potentials? Interesting.

Don't see any in your examples. You keep talking about "values", but you don't show any images of these values in the wild.

 

[Write4U]

Don't see any in your examples. You keep talking about "values", but you don't show any.

LOL, gasses make up about one third of all of physics.
But this is an exerpt from a piloting handbook.

CHAPTER 3: AERODYNAMIC PROPERTIES
Of these, lift and drag are aerodynamic forces. The airflow is characterized by properties such as velocity, pressure, density and temperature. These properties are calculated by the equations for the Conservation of Mass, Momentum, and Energy.
3: Aerodynamic Properties — The Complete Handbook on Piloting ...

https://www.pilotingaeronauticshandbook.com/3-aerodynamic-properties

These properties exist in nature, not as symbolized by humans but as abstract qualitative and quantitative potentials or "relative values and functionalities".
Each thing has its own unique values (potentials) relative to other different things.

Just because we learned to fly, doesn't mean we invented flight. Birds use the earth's magnetic fields to navigate the skies. Who invented navigation as a mathematical discipline?

 

[DaveC426913]

LOL, gasses make up about one third of all of physics.
But this is an exerpt from a piloting handbook.
https://www.pilotingaeronauticshandbook.com/3-aerodynamic-properties

Yup. I certainly see those values - in a book - written by a human.
Any pictures of these values in the wild?

These properties exist in nature

Ah. Properties. Now there's a word rarely used in your vocabulary.

Keep using that.

 

[Write4U]

Yup. I certainly see those values - in a book - written by a human.

based on what information?

Any pictures of these values in the wild?

Are you suggesting that if there are no human pictures it means nothing has any value and/or function in the wild?
Air pressure at sea-level is the same as air pressure a mile high? No picture, air pressure does not exist, is that what you are suggesting?

Ah. Properties. Now there's a word rarely used in your vocabulary. Keep using that.

Oh I use it plenty, just as I use the word Potential. They are appropriate in context of inherent universal values and functions. Are we in agreement on this or not?

If we don't have maps the terrain does not exist? This is your argument?

 

[DaveC426913]

Are you suggesting that if there are no human pictures it means nothing has any value and/or function in the wild?

I'm not suggesting anything; I'm simply asking to see some of these these values that you talk about in the wild.
Why do you keep avoiding this with more questions? Why not just show some?

 

[Write4U]

I'm not suggesting anything; I'm simply asking to see some of these these values that you talk about in the wild.
Why do you keep avoiding this with more questions? Why not just show some?

Look around you and you can see mathematical structures everywhere. I don't need to point them out. They're right in front of you all the time.

Trees are fractal structures. Falling objects illustrate the effects of gravity. The Doppler effect is clearly audible in sound waves. The Fibonacci Sequence is found throughout nature.
These are all "unfolded" expressions of natural interactive mathematical relative values and functional potentials.

All these natural phenomena reveal the underlying regularities which makes them display specific patterns and reveal the orderly mathematical nature of natural chronologies.

The fact that we are able to codify the potential and dynamical values and functional phenomena proves the stable equations between;
Observed values and functions = codified symbolisms describing observed values and functions.

 

[Michael 345]

All these natural phenomena reveal the underlying regularities which makes them display specific patterns and reveal the orderly mathematical nature of natural chronologies.

Physics imposes regularity because regularity = stability

An physics likes nothing more than fixed unchangeable ridged stability

 

[Write4U]

Physics imposes regularity because regularity = stability
An physics likes nothing more than fixed unchangeable ridged stability

That depends on the initial state of the physical object.
Gases are unstable, liquids are fluid, solids are rigid. However they all tend toward finding equilibrium.

I suggest that logically both unfolded physics and enfolded metaphysics seek to achieve stability or regularity.

The ability for self-ordering is predicted in mathematics and lends itself to practical applications when employing regular and mathematical equations based on the inherent potential values and functions of the media or objects.

 

[DaveC426913]

Look around you and you can see mathematical structures everywhere. I don't need to point them out. They're right in front of you all the time.

OK so, asked four times. Still no pictures of values existing in nature.
Going once ... going twice...

 

[DaveC426913]

I suggest that logically both unfolded physics and enfolded metaphysics seek to achieve stability or regularity.

Wheeee! Spin the wheel, win a prize!

 

[TheFrogger]

"Reference" is spelled wrong in the purple section of the wheel.

 

[Write4U]

Wheeee! Spin the wheel, win a prize!
View attachment 2634

A wheel of universal properties in my name? I'm truly honored.....

The wheel spins, but never stops, except and until we make an observation............ and take a "snapshot".

p.s. don't blame my references, read them!

 

[Write4U]

OK so, asked four times. Still no pictures of values existing in nature.
Going once ... going twice...

To a collector, the value of a thing is not its original monetary worth, but by its availability, relative condition, and acquired value plus over time, and desirability. A work of art may change its value during an art auction, depending on number of interested buyers. It's artistic value is judged by art critics, not by the component paints, canvas and frame.

Values are the abstract properties that give things their characteristic patterns. Also known as potentials.

Common types of potential values include the gravitational potential energy of an object that depends on its mass and its distance from the center of mass of another object, the elastic potential energy of an extended spring, and the electric potential energy of an electric charge in an electric field.

The unit for energy in the International System of Units (SI) is the joule, which has the symbol J.

A Joule is a relative value.

Intrinsic and instrumental value
Discreetness can be established by distinguishing between instrumental value and intrinsic values by giving value intrinsic and extrinsic properties. First indroduced by Plato in the "Republic": an instrumental value is worth having as a means towards getting something else that is good (e.g., a radio is instrumentally good in order to hear music). An intrinsically valuable thing is worth having for itself, not as a means to something else.

Intrinsic and instrumental goods need not define mutually exclusive categories. As some things can be found to be both good (in themselves) while also simultaneously good for getting other things that are good. A concept of: "Understanding science" may be one such a good, by being a means as achieving other goods as well as worthwhile in and of itself.

A prominent argument in environmental ethics, made by writers like Aldo Leopold and Holmes Rolston III, is that wild nature and healthy ecosystems have intrinsic value, prior to and apart from their instrumental value as resources for humans, and should therefore be preserved. This line of argument has been articulated further in recent years by Canadian philosopher John McMurtry within the Encyclopedia of Life Support Systems published by UNESCO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_theory#Intrinsic_and_instrumental_value

And for examples of visual relative values
https://www.diygenius.com/fractals-in-nature/

even children understand the concept of "abstract value".

 

[DaveC426913]

Still. Not a single picture of a value in nature.

You talk about values - but you're a human.
You talk about abstract values - because abstraction is a human process.
I don't for a moment argue that values are easily understood by humans.

But if they exist in nature, why don't you post a picture of some?

 

[Write4U]

"Reference" is spelled wrong in the purple section of the wheel.

That's relatively unimportant. The meaning and value of the wheel remains unchanged.....

 

[DaveC426913]

instrumental value and intrinsic values by giving value intrinsic and extrinsic properties. First indroduced by Plato in the "Republic": an instrumental value is worth having as a means towards getting something else that is good (e.g., a radio is instrumentally good in order to hear music). An intrinsically valuable thing is worth having for itself, not as a means to something else.
environmental ethics, made by writers like Aldo Leopold and Holmes Rolston III, is that wild nature and healthy ecosystems have intrinsic value, prior to and apart from their instrumental value as resources for humans, and should therefore be preserved. This line of argument has been articulated further in recent years by Canadian philosopher John McMurtry within the Encyclopedia of Life Support Systems published by UNESCO.

The above quotes talk about "value" in terms of "good", "worth", "ethical".

You've done this before - this is what is called a "weasel word" - a word that has two very different meanings, depending on the context.

So, having abandoned the mathematical concept of a value - you've now shifted the moralistic concept of value:

So you now assert that the universe has moralistic values? Can we assume you're going to circle back around to your God-adjacent "Intelligent Universe" idea?

 

[Write4U]

Still. Not a single picture of a value in nature.

You talk about values - but you're a human.
You talk about abstract values - because abstraction is a human process.
I don't for a moment argue that values are easily understood by humans.

I do, think objectively. You don't need to know what specific value, as long as you can translate relative values.

But if they exist in nature, why don't you post a picture of some?

See Post # 555
Can you give me a picture of an algebraic equation and it's values? A right triangle of any size has measurable values, no? Actual values are determined by size of the triangle which is variable.

The rest is your fascination and insistence on subjective thinking and every discussion always disintegrates into a semantic riddle.

Is it subjective human observation of universal values and functions or is it universal is it objective universal values and functions which are observable?

 

[Write4U]

The above quotes talk about "value" in terms of "good", "worth", "ethical".

So, that doesn't count?

You've done this before - this is what is called a "weasel word" - a word that has two very different meanings, depending on the context.

By rejecting the synonyms of certain terms you are limiting your horizons.

So, having abandoned the mathematical concept of a value - you've now shifted the moralistic concept of value:

You have shifted, because you do not want to understand the common denominator which apply to synonyms of a term.

You see "value" as numbers. I see values as "qualities"

So you now assert that the universe has moralistic values? Can we assume you're going to circle back around to your God-adjacent "Intelligent Universe" idea?

No, that your interpreatation and is not relevant in this context, regardless of your insistence.

For the umpteenth time, I am a hard atheist.
There is a defined difference between a sentient brain and a non-sentient computer, even as both perform computations.