Show THAT Homeopathy works

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Next our resident shite-for-brains liar says this:
Originally posted by BTox
Even the positive clinicals only show minor improvement in symptoms, no cures. None.
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Liar!

Shut up, liar!

You have not shown ONE trial of legitimate homeopathy, you ignorant liar!

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And you're not dead for what reason?

The cerebellar part of the shite you call brains has not yet throttled you and sent you back to Hell for what reason?

Shut up, liar!
 
Originally posted by BTox
The only evidence appears to be Hahnemann's writings from 200 years ago. Again, no one has been able to reproduce his findings.
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Liar!

Shut up, liar!

EVERYONE who's tried -- not including lazy, ignorant liars like you -- has confirmed his findings over a period of 213 years in many millions of prescriptions by many tens of thousands of physicians, so you're again nothing but a LIAR!

SHUT UP, LIAR!

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Not dead yet?

Surely allopaths will soon rip out your heart any day like the good little killers they are, but why don't you do it yourself since there is no way you could not know you are a vile, ignorant, useless waste of space and a liar!

Shut up, liar!

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Besides, you are so incredibly ignorant and such a liar and fraud as a scientist and human being that you haven't even read the simple writings of Hahnemann, so you're again proven to be nothing but a piece of shite with a big mouth who knows NOTHING accurate about homeopathy and has been thoroughly proven as such, liar!

SHUT UP, LIAR!
 
Here the little weasle yet again proves he's a total waste of space, doesn't know the slightest thing about science and is equally TOTALLY ignorant about homeopathy to state this lie:
Originally posted by BTox
The onus is on you to demonstrate proof that homeopathy has any physiological activity at all. So far, you've failed miserably.
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Liar!

Hahnemann did his part and so have we for 213 years, liar!

Your part, which NOT ONE of you have ever done without becoming a homeopath, is to read the book and test the findings, liar!

Shut up, liar!
 
Next, here's the near-equal piece of crap named Hans with yet another in the so far ENDLESS lies that pour from his mouth:
Originally posted by MRC_Hans
OK, so you have the money and the education. Stop stalling and show us the experimental proof. You already went through this last year with some people over at the JREF forum, double-blind trials and all. Are you just pretending to be interested in testing, or are you serious? If you are serious, what are you waiting for?

Hans
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Okay, my very clever misrepresenter of facts, tell the good folks how much a clinical trial costs at the minimum, liar!

Want to give us from your own pocket some of the $50,000 it costs at minimum to do ANY scientific trial?

Otherwise, shut up, you vile piece of crap who's also been demonstrated to be a TOTAL liar!

Shut up, liar!
 
Originally posted by Hahnemannian
You have not shown ONE trial of legitimate homeopathy, you ignorant liar!
I'd like to mention that you have also not shown any evidence that homeopathy actually works. If you can not explain to other people why something is true, then you have to question if it actually is.

Could you stop acting like a child. Are you really that excited at the prospect of having another thread locked and you banned?
 
Thank you very much Hahnemanniac for the laughter you provided to me tonight. It was very much needed after a long day as a professional scientist.

May I observe that your lunatic rantings seem to be cyclical in nature? You really need to be more diligent with your medication.
 
Originally posted by Persol
Originally posted by Hahnemannian
You have not shown ONE trial of legitimate homeopathy, you ignorant liar!
I'd like to mention that you have also not shown any evidence that homeopathy actually works.If you can not explain to other people why something is true, then you have to question if it actually is.

Could you stop acting like a child. Are you really that excited at the prospect of having another thread locked and you banned?
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Persol, the total moron, liar and fool did EXACTLY what I said he'd do.

Thank you, moron, liar, fool, jackass!

Demonstrate every other element of your ignorance, please.

Just open that mouth and let it out, son.
 
Originally posted by BTox
Thank you very much Hahnemanniac for the laughter you provided to me tonight. It was very much needed after a long day as a professional scientist.

May I observe that your lunatic rantings seem to be cyclical in nature? You really need to be more diligent with your medication.
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Not dead yet, BToxic?

Surely one of the people around you is a good enough human being to blow your brains out and send you back to Hell for the best good of all concerned.

Just ask one of them to do you that favor, pal.

I'm sure there must be hundreds or even thousands who'd gladly help you out, guy.

Or, better yet, take that flying leap off a tall building and put yourself out of your misery as a total moron and ignorant fool very worthily destined for horrible torture and murder in allopathic hands.

Go ask them why your head's missing, and I'm sure they would find it up your lower orifice.

Anybody can tell you've got a very simple problem.

But you can't speed along your own death for the best good of all concerned?

Just ask them, pal.

I'm sure that everybody wants you dead and back in Hell; just ask them, pal.
 
Originally posted by timokay
Hans,

Wouldn't trust me. Why?
In the second sentence I say buy it yourself from the pharmacy. It's the manufacturer's product. A formal test will analyse the product.

You are not doing the test? YES.
I will send you the medicine, or you will get it from your nearest pharmacy?

Not trust you? If for no other reason, then because it is not the nature of a scientific test to trust involved persons. In fact that is the basic idea: To ensure that interested parties cannot influence the outcome.

In this case, as you want to document the effect of a preparation, it is obviously CRUCIAL that the the exact content of that preparation is know. That should not be so hard to understand.

I have offered to help you design a protocol. That offer still stands. I cannot be a test subject since I am not impartial. You need to recruit test subjects in a proper way.

I don't know how long a year is in Denmark, but in Britain it is 12 months. I accessed JREF forum for the first time on 27th November of last year, and left that Forum, for ever, 12 days later, on 9th December. "Exactly the same discussion" is nonsense as well.

I do apologize, I did not check the exact dates. Not quite a year it is, well, that makes a great difference :rolleyes: . You had a discussion there that was basically the same, about testing the effects of a homeopathic preparation in a double-blind test.

As for STALLING. Who is stalling? I am ready to go with the Bryonia, are you??? I can now understand Hahnemannian's frustrations with you.

You are stalling. The test method has been explained to you repeatedly, but you pretend not to understand. You pretend that others should take part in your test. You keep discussing trivia and evading pertinet questions.

WTF is your address? 10 people in Britain or Europe, e-mail me so I can send sealed packs for a pilot run. My email address is in homeopathyhome dot com, profile of timokay. I will keep your addresses confidential.

See? Suddenly We are going to participate. No way, pal.

Tim
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Seriously, Tim, about trust: You have some kind of partner here who is issuing death threats on a daily basis (not to mention his constant babbling lies about modern medicine), and you reaction is that "it is just because he likes you". Why exactly do you feel we should trust you?

Hans
 
Originally posted by Hahnemannian
Next, here's the near-equal piece of crap named Hans with yet another in the so far ENDLESS lies that pour from his mouth: Okay, my very clever misrepresenter of facts, tell the good folks how much a clinical trial costs at the minimum, liar!

Want to give us from your own pocket some of the $50,000 it costs at minimum to do ANY scientific trial?

Otherwise, shut up, you vile piece of crap who's also been demonstrated to be a TOTAL liar!

Shut up, liar!
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A clinical trial? I'd guess your 50K is a good ballpark figure. Tim and I are not discussing a clinical trial, however. A clinical trial would aim at showing the efficiacy of a preparation or treatment on real patients.

What we were discussing was a simple cause and effect test that would show if a homeopathic preparation had the postulated effect at all. I would estimate the cost of such a test to be around 10,000$, most of which would be for compensation to test subjects and for lab tests. The rest would be postage and purchase of preparations and such.

Tim earlier boasted to have earned over a million$ so ten grand should not be a serious obstacle to him. No I will not contribute; I'm not the one who is going to be rich and famous if the test is positive. I have offered to design the test protocol for free, but it seems Tim does not want me to after all.

I simply cannot see the problem here. You people are so CERTAIN that your stuff works, and the rewards if you are right are tremendous, both financially and in terms of fame and honour. Why are you so reluctant to risk some money?

Oh, and please point to an instance where I have lied.

Hans
 
Originally posted by Hahnemannian
Persol, the total moron, liar and fool did EXACTLY what I said he'd do.
Well all I did was state that
1) You are acting like a child (demonstrated fact)
2) You have not shown evididence (demonstrated fact)

You have an odd definition of moron, liar and fool if they just encompass the truth.
 
Hans,

Tim earlier boasted to have earned over a million$ so ten grand should not be a serious obstacle to him. No I will not contribute; I'm not the one who is going to be rich and famous if the test is positive. I have offered to design the test protocol for free, but it seems Tim does not want me to after all.

I simply cannot see the problem here. You people are so CERTAIN that your stuff works, and the rewards if you are right are tremendous, both financially and in terms of fame and honour.
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I did not boast. Are all Danes liars?
There can be no testing until the matter has been discussed more. There are 100s of research papers out there that show improvements with Homeopathy but not yet to Science's liking.

We are not likely to accomplish it, either, until we understand all the problems.

Hans. You want everything done by tomorrow lunch-time.

Tim
 
We understand the problem?

Question/Problem: Does homeopathy lead to longer/healthier lives then modern medicine?

Answer: There is no proof that it does.

Experiment: Take 2 groups. Treat one with homeopathic cures and one with modern cures. Make sure that no 'team changing' is allowed except in cases of life threatening illness (when the person is disqualified). Ask the people how they feel before treatment, and then after. Record the length of life of those who do not 'switch teams'. Compare the statistical data.

There, you have a study you can perform now. However, every paper that's been along these lines has either failed, or statistically irrelevant.
 
Originally posted by timokay
Hans,

I did not boast.

OK, you just happened to mention it without being asked.

Are all Danes liars?

Yes, and everything they say is a lie ;)

There can be no testing until the matter has been discussed more. There are 100s of research papers out there that show improvements with Homeopathy but not yet to Science's liking.

We are not likely to accomplish it, either, until we understand all the problems.

My protocol would be accepted by science, but have it you way.
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Hans. You want everything done by tomorrow lunch-time.

Tim
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Originally posted by Timokay:
Solving problems ALWAYS needs some practical work like this, even early on...and especially now. There is plenty to do, and a frivolous matter like this should not use up a month.
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Who was in a hurry?

Hans
 
Hans,

Your point:

me: I did not boast.

you: OK, you just happened to mention it without being asked.

Re. "without being asked".

Earlier on this thread:


Nasor,

quote:
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If homeopathy sounds plausible to you, it means that you are either woefully ignorant of basic science or have absolutely no critical thinking ability.
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My reply: I would say they are two of my strongest points...etc.
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It was a reasonable answer to his point, which is garbage. I was employed abroad specifically for my critical thinking ability.

I am fed up with you, Hans, with the endless string of lies and distortions...you are the lunatic.

Stick to what you might be good at, like milking cows.
Virtually everything you say is horse manure.
 
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Originally posted by timokay
Hans,

Your point:

me: I did not boast.

you: OK, you just happened to mention it without being asked.

Re. "without being asked".

*Yawn*. Tim, my point was and remains, that you have indicated that you make a lot of money. Thus Albert's whine about poor Homepaths' inability to conduct experiments without help is moot.

It was a reasonable answer to his point, which is garbage. I was employed abroad specifically for my critical thinking ability.

Irrelevant for this discussion. Show your critical thinking ability on the subject at hand.

I am fed up with you, Hans, with the endless string of lies and distortions...you are the lunatic.

Stick to what you might be good at, like milking cows.
Virtually everything you say is horse manure.

Ahhh, reverted to ad hominem. Took you a while, but.....
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The fact is that you cannot address the points I make. You keep making evations whenever I ask a pertinent question. I could go over these threads and sum up the questions I have asked and which you have not answered, but I have better things to do right now.

Hans
 
Timokay

Originally posted by timokay
better things to do.

just milk the cows.
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Probably it's not worth carrying on with this any more. (Actually reading those provings was the last straw for me anyway. I know I should have done it before but I'd never actually read up how they were done or read the results and now I have I can see where all the problems come in. Homeopaths think that everything that happens after a trial remedy is taken may be caused by the remedy, but they don't do any controls, so the compiler just kinda sucks on a pencil and decides what to call the relevant symptoms, not that much gets ignored as accidental if that Bryonia entry is anything to go by.) But I would like you to think about why you do this sort of thing every time someone disagrees with, and let's face it, almost every person with any science training is going to. Hans, especially has been overwhelmingly polite, it's just that he thinks you're wrong.

Bye bye. F.x
 
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