Skeptics have already made their minds up about UAPs

Discussion in 'Conspiracies' started by Yazata, Sep 1, 2023.

  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    This is good stuff. It acts as a primer to teach discerning minds how to think critically.

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    Notice that it says explicitly and repeatedly: reported. That means these are not facts.
    (If I reported seeing a lady descending to the street on an umbrella, that would not be a fact.)
    They've used this terminology deliberately so that uncritical people don't think they mean actual extant characteristics of real things.


    Thanks for drawing that to the readers' attention. Inexperienced readers might have missed its significance.



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    Notice the explicit use of the word typically. It is a word that is used to describe some elements of a diverse group. (For example: children are typically shorter than adults) It does not apply to all elements of that group.
    In fact, the use of the word typical tells us that the group contains multiple disparate elements that do not all share the property.
    They've used this terminology deliberately so that uncritical people don't think they mean they all apply to every account.

    Thanks for drawing that to the readers' attention. Inexperienced readers might have missed its significance.



    Correct. Because they're not drawing conclusions in this slide.

    Thanks for drawing that to the readers' attention. Inexperienced readers might have missed its significance.

    Please keep producing these lading questions. We've basically got a UAP Critical Analysis Primer going here.
     
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  5. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know about you but when I hear or read a report, I expect it to contain facts that I can rely on. The weather report relays facts about the weather. The traffic report--facts about the traffic situation. And news reports are about actual events that have happened. So the uap report is a listing of reliable facts about extant objects called uaps that were witnessed or captured on video.
     
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  7. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Clearly you have never watched Fox News.
     
  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    As you note, there are several completely different kinds of reports, as some inexperienced critical thinkers might not have realized until you pointed it out.

    One kind of report: A vetted, verified, published document of facts by a team of writers.
    Another kind of report: A phone call to the police that it sounds like there are dragging chains and footsteps coming from the attic.

    So, we see that the term "report" is a word with a very broad meaning is not definitive; no one example of it captures the traits of all types of reports.

    A perfect example:
    Here you have conflated two very different types of report.

    The UAP "report" that you are referring to there is a (single) document that is a collation of many individual reports of sightings. And those reports are not fact.


    Good catch. You've hilit a pitfall that readers might not have caught if they were inexperienced critical thinkers and perhaps failed basic linguistics in school.

    It is called a weasel word - the use of the ambiguity of a word to mislead.


    Great idea. Let's examine this UAP document which, as you point out is "a listing of reliable facts". Here's a really good one:

    "...our research AARO has found no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity, off-world technology, or objects that defy the known laws of physics. "

    OK, good to know. That's kid of the takeaway of the document - kind of the TL;DR.

    If anyone wanted to know in 25 words or less whether UAPs indicate extraterrestrial activity, off-world technology, or objects that defy the known laws of physics then the answer is an unequivocal no.


    This is great stuff! Any more pitfalls - keep em coming!
     
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  9. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    LOL. No I haven't. It's the same thing in both instances.
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    If that were true, then you would have to contend that this report:

    A phone call to the police that it sounds like there are dragging chains and footsteps coming from the attic.

    is a list of factual, objective, extant events i.e. someone or something in the attic actually dragging chains and stomping around, exactly as the caller reported. That such a report is never in error, never due to, say, branches scraping the tile roof in the wind - or a sleepy caller waking up from a vivid dream.

    Go ahead. Double-down on the contention that there's only one meaning of the word 'report', to-wit: "a listing of reliable facts about extant objects".
     
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    That's not the report. That's the complaint. The report comes later after the police check it out and establish what the facts are.
     
  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The caller reported spooky sounds to the police.

    The caller made an interpretation of dragging chains and footsteps. That is not fact.

    Exactly analogous to any UAP report. Citizens report events.

    The AARO document is a report (an analysis) about many reports of UAPs (subjective accounts by citizens of events that may or may not been analyzed but certainly cannot be said to contain only facts).

    This is good. It's like a primer in grade school linguistics. You would have done well as Devil's Advocate* on your school debate team.


    * defending an indefensible position for the purpose of highlighting flaws in logic
     
  13. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No..the AARO uap report establishes the factual characteristics of uaps based on the eyewitness accounts of and video footage of individual uaps. The characteristics are facts based on the evidence and data gathered. That is the whole point of a report. To arrive at some factual basis that can be generalized from the individual sightings taken as facts in themselves. There would otherwise be no point to the report. After we read the report we know more about uaps than we did before we read it. And that is due to the establishment of facts.
     
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    Might well be a balloon if its APPARENT speed is Mach 2, and its actual groundspeed is a few hundred MPH.

    Or it could be alien invaders.

    Or maybe God did it to test our faith.

    Which is more likely?
     
  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nothing about space aliens either. So much for that theory.
     
  16. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Editing the report to fit your conclusion? The report says nothing about APPARENT Mach 2. It just says Mach 2. Pretty sure they base this on reliable data.
     
  17. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    From the slide: "MQ-9 observed APPARENT spherical UAP via electro-optical sensors"

    That means they saw it on a camera and they are guessing as to what it is. No evidence that it is going Mach 2, other than your guess.
    Another guess on your part!

    Keep guessing and let us know when you have enough guesses to make it "proof."
     
  18. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    You are, unfortunately, quite a liar.

    The slide clearly says that those are TYPICAL reported UAP characteristics of all UAPs over the past 27 years. And less than half of them were "orb/round/sphere." Nothing about THIS UAP doing that.

    If you constantly lie and make sh!t up, why would anyone take you seriously? It's become clear that that anything you claim here is a fabrication. Why not be honest and let the data speak for itself? Are you afraid of the truth?
     
  20. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    LOL Awww,,don't get your gander up now. Just quote from the report where it says "APPARENT Mach2."
     
  21. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    It's disappointing that you are sticking to your lies. No wonder you dislike science sites.
     
  22. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No "APPARENT Mach 2" then. Try not to edit the report to fit your narrative in the future.
     
  23. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    The NASA report is out tomorrow
     

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