Spanking Lowers IQ Points

cluelusshusbund said:
Give an esample of what you consider "realy bad".!!!

How many times do you thank you was "spanked to hell" as a kid.???

Did you learn respect for "boundries"... or to have a fear of punishment.???
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I had a friend over and we got up at 6am and snuck out and went to a 7/11 store which was a few miles away at the age of around 8. My parents had gotten up and checked on me and saw we were gone. My dad drove around frantically looking for us and we were back when he got home.

I knew it was wrong and I took the chance. I got caught. Thinking back on it, I can't imagine what he was going through, especially since he had this other kid to care for and was at that moment responsible for.

I have been spanked to hell about 3-4 times. All of which I deserved.

Yes I learned respect for the boundaries. Who likes being spanked ? It's not supposed to be fun. So yes I feared the spanking, but I never viewed it as my dad abusing me, because he never spanked me without a really good reason. Nor have I with my kids. It is rare they cross the line, they have a few times and thats been it so far.
 
Orleander said:
Agreed. I don't think anyone has any business assaulting any child, even if its their own. Its lazy parenting.
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but by the same token you have no right to tell someone else if there kid is on a one way trip to prison unless the kid doesnt learn how to act.
 
mugaliens said:
Didn't seem to slow myself or my son down one bit. I'm successful and he's exceptionally bright.
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You mean the spankings? If so, just think ....those spankings might be the very reason that you're both successful. A good swap to the butt at the appropriate time can teach valuable lessons.

When I hear people talking about spankings being "abuse", I keep wondering how the world ever survived and created all that we have now since in those days, spankings and even major whippings were a norm. If we listen to the liberals on this issue, those kids could never have built this great nation.

Baron Max
 
Baron Max said:
...there are some people right here on this forum who can't follow simple logic and reasoning ....and they're probably some of the ones who claim that little kids can do it when they're upset and being bad. ...LOL!
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Give the post number of somone who clamed that about little kids so i can see if i agree wit you'r acessment or not.!!!
 
jpappl said:
I had a friend over and we got up at 6am and snuck out and went to a 7/11 store which was a few miles away at the age of around 8. My parents had gotten up and checked on me and saw we were gone. My dad drove around frantically looking for us...

I can't imagine what he was going through, especially since he had this other kid to care for and was at that moment responsible for.
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I emagine he was scared sht-less... lol... which likely increased the intensity of you'r whipin.!!!

Insted of whippin you... if you'r dad had calmed down firs... an then tolt you how scared an bad he had felt when he discovered you was missin... woud his feelins have had any effect on whether you woud have pulled such a stunt agan???... or woud you'r dads feelins have ment so little to you that you woudnt have cared... an dew to that... the only thang you woud pay attenton to was fear of punishment.???
 
Ellie said:
...It depends on the kid too. I think a spanking to set a kid straight is better than prison. Does it always work? no, but i am sure it has worked on billions of occasions.
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Yes all kids ant the sam an nether are all "spankins".!!!

Do you thank the intensity of whippins shud be increased if the child still ant behavin quite good enuff.???
 
Baron Max said:
When I hear people talking about spankings being "abuse", I keep wondering how the world ever survived and created all that we have now since in those days, spankings and even major whippings were a norm.
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Do you thank our nation woud be even grater if "major" whippins was still the norm.???
 
Ellie said:
not at all. i was smarter because i didn't do the same stupid thing again. now i dont even remember what i did.
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Well jus qurious... how do you know you didnt do it agan if you dont remenber what the stoopid thang you did was.???
 
I'm not sure why, but it seems that no one has pointed out that there is a counterpoint out there to Orly's original study by Straus, et. al.:

This is a critique of the study by Straus, Sugarman, and Giles-Sims (1997):

The only thing that Straus et al. (1997) have proven is that spanking 6- to 9-year-olds at the rate of 156 times a year has a small, but detrimental effect (accounting for 1.3% of subsequent variation in anti-social behavior).
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Basically they find that the effects of spanking vary from significantly beneficial effects to significantly detrimental effects according to four factors: Age, sex, race, and marital status. At one extreme, spanking frequency increases the subsequent level of antisocial aggression for 8- to 11-year-old white sons of single mothers. At the other extreme, spanking frequency decreases the subsequent level of antisocial aggression for 4- to 7-year-old Black daughters in intact families.
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Thus the evidence to date suggests that nonabusive spanking has generally beneficial effects on children under the following limited conditions at least:

Age: 2 to 6 years
How: 2 open-handed swats to the buttocks, leaving no bruise
How: Primarily as back-up for less aversive discipline responses (e.g., reasoning and time out). Using it as a back-up should make reasoning and time out more effective so that the spanking back-up can be phased out.
Who: by loving parents

Eight of the 9 best studies support this, and the 9th (Straus et al., 1997) has no evidence against it.
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Etc., etc., etc. As usual, nothing conclusive, other than it varies according to circumstances. Have fun...:rolleyes:
 
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