The double solution theory, a new interpretation of Wave Mechanics

paddoboy said:
And so far you have also said that time can not be measured and time can be measured.
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In what way can time be measured?

I mean, a fundamental, quantum mechanical sense... the only sense which really matters here? You cannot measure time... it's not because I am ''saying it'' but because that is what physics is telling us. You cannot measure time, it is not an observable. It's a parameter we attach to change. It's a subjective duration of change. Our sense of time, is not the same thing as measuring it and when you start to understand that, the better.
 
And by the way, I just gave you two links explaining why [time] does not exist in general relativity. It's easy to locally gauge clocks and make special relativity, in fact I argued a case for local time earlier when talking about how mass acts as clocks.
 
BlackHoley said:
Excuse me?

It's you who doesn't have any observational evidence of time! LOL! You're arguments are pathetic and laughable. The crux of the argument is on you to prove it, there is no evidence of external time, so good look with that one.
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And this from a person who in one post says time is measurable, and in another says it isn't.

Space/time is the background framework against which SR/GR are calculated, and as detailed in more detailed terms, in the link I gave.
That's it pure and simple.
 
paddoboy said:
And this from a person who in one post says time is measurable, and in another says it isn't.

Space/time is the background framework against which SR/GR are calculated, and as detailed in more detailed terms, in the link I gave.
That's it pure and simple.
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When did I say time was measurable... because I am positive you've taken me out of context. I said in another thread time was emergent, in the macroscopic region we are able to ''measure'' time. But this is a local measure of time to all matter and the fact it is emergent, would mean it is not fundamental time.
 
paddoboy said:
Space/time is the background framework against which SR/GR are calculated
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You're wrong again... time is not within the framework of GR. Now you are lying again, I've presented two links to show you were wrong about this. You are repeating the same bullshit.
 
AlexG said:
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Time is measured by clocks. You may insist otherwise, but you're wrong. And I can see we're drifting strongly into crank land.
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Yep Alex, you hit the nail on the head early in the piece!
 
BlackHoley said:
You're wrong again... time is not within the framework of GR. Now you are lying again, I've presented two links to show you were wrong about this. You are repeating the same bullshit.
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No, I'm correct.
I can also present links and have.
It's rather interesting going through this thread.... :)
 
paddoboy said:
Yep Alex, you hit the nail on the head early in the piece!
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That's a clock... it's a machine. That's not measuring an external time, it's measuring a mechanical change. Obviously.

It's actually crank land if you think a clock measures a true external time.


edit: if you like, you can say a clock measures subjective time - as in, the time we all experience passing us by, as though it were a classical Newtonian time.
 
brucep said:
Wow you sound just like the banned member Reiku and his many sock puppets. What a coincidence.
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We seem to have more then one about at present. :)


BlackHoley said:
That's a clock... it's a machine. That's not measuring an external time, it's measuring a mechanical change. Obviously.

It's actually crank land if you think a clock measures a true external time.


edit: if you like, you can say a clock measures subjective time - as in, the time we all experience passing us by, as though it were a classical Newtonian time.
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Your silly pedant does nothing for me......:shrug:
Clocks measure the passage of time....
In GR time is linked with space to take on the framework of space/time.
Within the GR framework, and dependent on FoR's, objects undergo length contraction and time dilation...These are observed facts of GR.
 
paddoboy said:
In GR time is linked with space to take on the framework of space/time.
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Are you slow or something? I say the word ''slow'' in the kindest sense as there are far harsher words one could use.

How many times, do I need to tell you that General Covariance forbids a global evolution in time. There is no space-time framework in general relativity.

Is that clear enough?
 
Aether has mass. de Broglie's pilot-wave is an aether displacement wave. What waves in a double slit experiment is the aether.

There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter anchored to matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.

'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1004/1004.1475v1.pdf

"Our data strongly support the idea that the gravitational potential in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very closely."

The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through the aether. The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what is occurring as the galaxy clusters move through and displace the aether.

'The Milky Way's dark matter halo appears to be lopsided'
http://arxiv.org/abs/0903.3802

"The emerging picture of the asymmetric dark matter halo is supported by the \Lambda CDM halos formed in the cosmological N-body simulation."

The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether. The Milky Way's halo is lopsided due to the matter in the Milky Way moving through and displacing the aether.
 
BlackHoley said:
Are you slow or something? I say the word ''slow'' in the kindest sense as there are far harsher words one could use.

How many times, do I need to tell you that General Covariance forbids a global evolution in time. There is no space-time framework in general relativity.

Is that clear enough?
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Not at all...In fact I'm quite smart enough to treat with complete disdain the rantings of an arrogant troll with delusions of grandeur.

Now that should be clear enough...


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Spacetime and Geometry: An Introduction to General Relativity

http://preposterousuniverse.com/spacetimeandgeometry/
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http://einstein.stanford.edu/content/relativity/q411.html

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http://www.mth.kcl.ac.uk/~lambert/SGGR.pdf

Spacetime Geometry and General
Relativity

Gravitational Redshift and Time Dilation

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/universe/questions_and_ideas/general_relativity
General relativity, or the general theory of relativity, is the geometric theory of gravitation published by Albert Einstein in 1916 and the current description of gravitation in modern physics. General relativity generalizes special relativity and Newton's law of universal gravitation, providing a unified description of gravity as a geometric property of space and time, or spacetime. In particular, the curvature of spacetime is directly related to the energy and momentum of whatever matter and radiation are present. The relation is specified by the Einstein field equations, a system of partial differential equations.

Some predictions of general relativity differ significantly from those of classical physics, especially concerning the passage of time, the geometry of space, the motion of bodies in free fall, and the propagation of light. Examples of such differences include gravitational time dilation, gravitational lensing, the gravitational redshift of light, and the gravitational time delay. The predictions of general relativity have been confirmed in all observations and experiments to date. Although general relativity is not the only relativistic theory of gravity, it is the simplest theory that is consistent with experimental data. However, unanswered questions remain, the most fundamental being how general relativity can be reconciled with the laws of quantum physics to produce a complete and self-consistent theory of quantum gravity."
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Got it?

Now go away and think about it.
 
Cheezle said:
The paper you linked to was an entry in an FQXi essay contest. It was in a 10 way tie for 4th place. The contest is open to the public so anyone can post their ideas there. Using it as a reference in a debate is probably not the best idea.

Other entries are here: http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/category/10
Winners here: http://www.fqxi.org/community/essay/winners/2008.1
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Thanks for those revelations Cheezle.....
There is no limit to how far a fanatical alternative theorist will descend to keep alive whatever it is they are pushing.


Cheezle said:
But the point is that it was just an essay in a contest open to the public. Not a paper in a peer reviewed journal. Some of the essays there are outright nutty. One of our favorite cranks here on sciforums has a essay there on how to build a gravity beam. He got the idea from his telepathic communication with space aliens. So FXQi essays are not the best support of your cranky ideas. Have you heard of Time Cube?
http://www.timecube.com. It has a much authority on the subject.
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Cheezle said:
You make my point. All of you aether cranks like to use half quotes and fanboy tactics. You are always long on denial and short on backing up your claims. You always put the onus of "proof" on your opponent and never deliver evidence for your own ideas. Very typical crank.
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Aint that the truth!
 
cav755 said:
Read this again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment#de_Broglie.27s_wave_mechanics. It's not speculative. It's beyond speculation.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

The above sentence is not speculative. The above sentence is the most correct explanation as to what occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment to date.
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Yes it is speculative...very speculative.
Just because a Nobel Laureate has an opinion does not make it Gospel...
The same applies to your own opinion of course.
 
paddoboy said:
Not at all...

(insert some derogatory nonsense) - then contoinue...

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http://www.mth.kcl.ac.uk/~lambert/SGGR.pdf

Spacetime Geometry and General
Relativity

Gravitational Redshift and Time Dilation

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/universe/questions_and_ideas/general_relativity
General relativity, or the general theory of relativity, is the geometric theory of gravitation published by Albert Einstein in 1916 and the current description of gravitation in modern physics. General relativity generalizes special relativity and Newton's law of universal gravitation, providing a unified description of gravity as a geometric property of space and time, or spacetime. In particular, the curvature of spacetime is directly related to the energy and momentum of whatever matter and radiation are present. The relation is specified by the Einstein field equations, a system of partial differential equations.

Some predictions of general relativity differ significantly from those of classical physics, especially concerning the passage of time, the geometry of space, the motion of bodies in free fall, and the propagation of light. Examples of such differences include gravitational time dilation, gravitational lensing, the gravitational redshift of light, and the gravitational time delay. The predictions of general relativity have been confirmed in all observations and experiments to date. Although general relativity is not the only relativistic theory of gravity, it is the simplest theory that is consistent with experimental data. However, unanswered questions remain, the most fundamental being how general relativity can be reconciled with the laws of quantum physics to produce a complete and self-consistent theory of quantum gravity."
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Got it?

Now go away and think about it.
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Why do you keep posting this? This ''framework'' in the paper it speaks about is the four dimensional manifold as it is understood in the context of Minkowski spacetime. This doesn't hold true for general relativity, because there is no global time because of general covariance.

But if you knew any of this, you wouldn't be wasting your time. I've told you plenty times now, any information that claims that time is intrinsic to general relativity are blatently wrong. You keep posting this one paper... I can post several even more papers all confirming what I am trying to get through your arrogant little mind.
 
paddoboy said:
Thanks for those revelations Cheezle.....
There is no limit to how far a fanatical alternative theorist will descend to keep alive whatever it is they are pushing.
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Revelations?

He hasn't said anything that isn't common knowledge paddoboy. Only difference is, he doesn't seem to appreciate the high caliber work required to even enter the contests.
 
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