The Hindus-An Alternative History

Discussion in 'Eastern Philosophy' started by kmguru, Mar 2, 2010.

  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    It is saffron BS to pretend that the Rigveda is the sole source of Hindu history. Especially when Hinduism was created by the British in the 1800s and the name Hindu itself is a derivation of the name Sindu given by presumably the ancient Iranians, to the people east of the Indus

    What does the Rigveda call the people now known as Hindus?
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  3. lightgigantic Banned Banned

    probably brahma bandhus

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  5. rcscwc Registered Senior Member

    The issue in OP is inaccuracies and deliberate distortions of history. I pointed out one, now you are hairing off in another direction. That too pointless.

    Pg 532 - Emperor Akbar moved his capital from Fatehpur Sikri to Delhi in 1586.

    COMMENT: Emperor Akbar moved his capital to Lahore in 1587, and thereafter to Agra.

    Is it saffron BS?

    Pg 537-8 - The Sikh teacher Guru Govind Singh was assassinated in 1708, while ’attending Emperor Aurangzeb’. Emperor Aurangzeb died in 1707.

    COMMENT: Guru Gobind Singh was assassinated in 1708 during the reign of Aurangzeb’s successor, Emperor Bahadur Shah I. It is insulting to say that the Guru was ‘attending’ on the Emperor. He died at Nanded, present Maharashtra after being stabbed by an Afghan.

    It is saffron BS?

    That book is snarling with mistakes or deliberate distortion. At best it is an ill researched and slip shod work.
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2010
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    How do you what is the accurate form of the history? What are the sources used by the author compared to the sources used by yourself? One of the things I have learned is that history is the surviving narrative, its only rarely that its truth value can be supported by strong and inviolate evidence. As such any alternative version of history is as valid as the popular version, unless you can show somehow some proof that makes one version more believable than the other. From what I have studied of the saffronisation of history in India over the last couple of decades, I have to say any version of history from them is suspect since their aim has been to create some alternate version of both Hinduism and Indian history which lacks credibility and rigor. Thats not to say that they are always wrong, but I'd have to academically compare both sources before considering any one version less fictional than the other
  8. rcscwc Registered Senior Member

    Hahaha. Hahaha. SAM, did I not show the damned author was WRONG. MISCHIVIEVIOUS. MALICIOUS about Rig Veda?

    Btw, you are only ranting about saffron!! The color of fonts for quran too.

    Hahaha. No temple at Ayodhyda prior to Babri [ gay socket of Babar]. But proved by excavations. That too in the teeth of RED HISTORIANS.

    I would laugh, but will not. It is on record that Guru Gobind was stabbed by an Afghan at NANDED, not in Delhi.

    Was Guru Teg Bahadur assissinated while attending Aurangzeb? Was he attending?
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    I'm not an authority so I don't know if its wrong. Whats the source used by the author?

    Sure and some of my clothes as well. But the saffron brigade is a political entity and not representative of the colour.
    "proved" by whom? where? I've read the articles of the ASI and they have no conclusive evidence.

    Who recorded this? Where? Whats the source?
    No idea, I don't know, do you?

    wrf to the dates and places you mentioned. When did the Mughals or the Hindus start using the Gregorian calendar to record dates? Who kept these records?
  10. rcscwc Registered Senior Member

    Since you are not an authority, so why do you open your mouth wide enough to put your both feet in?


    Better to keep quiet and be taken as a fool than to open your mouth and remove the doubt.
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    Saying "I don't know" is not proving oneself a fool. I doubt a single member of the saffron brigade has read the entire Rig Veda. Or is an authority on "Hindu" history. Maybe the author is not entirely correct. And its certainly a worthwhile enterprise to debate on the points where you think she is mistaken. However I have not seen a single credible authority post any peer reviewed or acknowledged work with an objective viewpoint - all I hear is personal attacks on someone who has taken the trouble to research and write on the history of the Indian people. She is an academic:

    and if you have issue with any of her sources, feel free to discuss why.
  12. rcscwc Registered Senior Member

    No, I did not call you a fool. But you removed the doubt.

    Forget about who has or has not read RV, I have. Did I not post the RV hymn in questions? Is Doniger's interpretation accurate or mischievious. Doniger might be anything, but even he can be malicious or a plain ignoromus.

    Ignorance is palpable. When Did Qasim invade? Did Doniger know the correct year even?

    By bad mouthing Hindu historians you cannot defend Doniger.
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    I asked you what her source was and you did not respond. Have you read the book? Checked her sources?

    Well I would be interested to know how anyone knows what the correct year is - which calendar we are using, for one. Who recorded the event, where, why etc

    If you want to prove that she is mistaken, opinion is not enough, you need supporting evidence.

    If you feel her source is in error you need to explain why. What are the words she has misinterpreted or misrepresented? Can they be read in more than one way? What is the accepted interpretation, based on what knowledge or information, etc. You have to show at least some degree of academic rigor if you are serious about the issue.
  14. rcscwc Registered Senior Member

    Did I not post objective proof by posting the RV hymn?

    Did Guru Gobind Singh die at Delhi? Really? What is her source? You are her defender, so you give it.
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2010
  15. rcscwc Registered Senior Member

    Jesus rode them.

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